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Help finding a high capacity pick and place machine

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Hello everyone, Last year, our company ventured into the SM... - Mar 15, 2024 by Bclay

I suggest you should start learning what's current SMT is ca... - Mar 15, 2024 by Thomas

Check out Yamaha - also old. A large number of parts (the sa... - Mar 15, 2024 by Michał

You haven't said what kind of parts you are placing, what is... - Mar 15, 2024 by Erik Friesen

ETON Honor Series-YT20S is a high-speed all-in-one machine, ... - Mar 17, 2024 by ETON.net

ASM -SIEMMENS ,SX machine, if you want a new equipment, my f... - Mar 17, 2024 by dima

200 unique components across an entire range is nothing, Wer... - Mar 18, 2024 by Spoiltforchoice

Sounds like your talking very low volume & component cou... - Mar 18, 2024 by Carl_P

Hi there, I've been happy with the iiNeo and iiNeo+ from Eu... - Mar 19, 2024 by MagyarT

The Fuzion HC will do that many parts depending on the tape ... - Mar 20, 2024 by Poly

The Fuzion is an impressive machine but even more expensive.... - Mar 20, 2024 by Mainteneer

Go used. We have quarter million dollar UIC machines we boug... - Mar 27, 2024 by Tom

Bclay

#90702

Help finding a high capacity pick and place machine | 15 March, 2024

Hello everyone,

Last year, our company ventured into the SMT arena to manufacture PCBs in-house for our products. We've been utilizing two Neoden 10 pick-and-place machines in series. However, as we grow, we've encountered some limitations with our current setup and are now exploring options to upgrade our pick-and-place capability.

Our primary requirement is a machine that can handle a high volume of unique components. Our boards are quite complex, featuring around 200 distinct components between all our boards and each board totaling approximately 800 parts. The boards themselves are fairly large, measuring 300mm x 250mm. While speed is not our main concern, accuracy is; we aim to produce about 15 boards per day.

We've come across the Manncorp MC388, which boasts a 190 feeder capacity, and it has caught our interest. Additionally, we are open to considering used machines if they meet our requirements.

I would greatly appreciate any recommendations or insights from the community, especially from those who have navigated similar upgrades or have experience with high-capacity pick-and-place machines.

Thank you in advance for your help and suggestions!

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Thomas

#90703

Help finding a high capacity pick and place machine | 15 March, 2024

I suggest you should start learning what's current SMT is capable of in now days. The company I am working in right now able to run huge boards, over 3feet long and 1feet wide.

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Michał

#90707

Help finding a high capacity pick and place machine | 15 March, 2024

Check out Yamaha - also old. A large number of parts (the same machines under the Assembleon, Philips brand), cheap feeders, many parts suppliers. Models from 2 to 16 heads, e.g. Emerald-X can accommodate 84 INDEPENDENT 8 mm feeders.

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Erik Friesen

#90708

Help finding a high capacity pick and place machine | 15 March, 2024

You haven't said what kind of parts you are placing, what is the minimum size component?

You might consider multiple machines in line rather than trying to fit this all in one machine, plus this has the advantage of upping throughput.

You could get something like some older CP45's or SM321 or similar. My guess is even older equipment will work better than the Neodens.

200 Distinct components!? No way to simplify?

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ETON.net

#90710

Help finding a high capacity pick and place machine | 17 March, 2024

ETON Honor Series-YT20S is a high-speed all-in-one machine, which breaks through the conventions of the placement machine industry, greatly improves the speed, accuracy and stability of the product, and supports customization of special requirements.https://eton.net/smt-eton-yt20s.html

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dima

#90711

Help finding a high capacity pick and place machine | 17 March, 2024

ASM -SIEMMENS ,SX machine, if you want a new equipment, my first choice.

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Spoiltforchoice

#90713

Help finding a high capacity pick and place machine | 18 March, 2024

200 unique components across an entire range is nothing, Were we all so lucky we would all leave the inventory permanently loaded on the line.

The Manncorp machines are probably your cheapest solution new. These chinese machines with western input have been around for over a decade and are a step above upstarts like Neoden. Arguably a 2nd user machine from Yamaha/Samsung/etc is still better.

With somewhat similar requirements over a decade ago, we went Essemtec, in offline form it can hold 240 unique parts in feeders plus cut tape and trays in the placement area that is free around the PCB. This was a competitive solution at the time but its a bad solution if you start to need to increase throughput. A 2nd user Essemtec would work well for you, the new ones not so much.

My personal choice new based on rumored (I don't have a modern quote myself) pricing currently would be a Panansonic AM100. Otherwise 2 machines of the makes/models suggested by others is the way to go.

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Carl_P

#90715

Help finding a high capacity pick and place machine | 18 March, 2024

Sounds like your talking very low volume & component counts really...

I would look at Panasonic AM100 for example - low cost, high flexibility but you would need multiple so you could pair it with another...

Ideally we would need to understand your component/board types better.

Where are you located also as support could play a factor

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MagyarT

#90720

Help finding a high capacity pick and place machine | 19 March, 2024

Hi there,

I've been happy with the iiNeo and iiNeo+ from Europlacer, both have the capacity of 8*33 8mm feeders (264 slots in total). It can build boards up to 505*360 mm (our biggest PCBA, maybe it can do bigger one too). 6 and 12 monthly services by Europlacer gave us good results in terms of maintenance, with periodic nozzle and turret maintenance done by us for best results. Turret configuration is 12 nozzle holders on the left head and 8 on the right head. Feeders are relatively cheap at 100-120£ each.

Definitely check on the closest distributor AND service location to make sure you have prompt replies and visits just in case, regardless of choice.

All the best, Tom

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Spoiltforchoice

#90729

Help finding a high capacity pick and place machine | 19 March, 2024

I hadn't suggested the IINEO's because as a step up from Neoden's its a huge leap in price and perhaps around twice the price of the AM100, that gap would narrow as you purchased even more feeders.

If you have a big product mix or are a small batch contract assembler, the Europlacer is better. I think the AM100 is a better fit for an OEM tho'

Having said that, in the UK at least 2 of the little manufacturers that sprung up around the Raspberry Pi, started out with little Neoden class machines (Intelligent Drives IIRC) and went from that directly to IINEOs, nothing in between, quite quickly.

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Poly

#90733

Help finding a high capacity pick and place machine | 20 March, 2024

The Fuzion HC will do that many parts depending on the tape width. 8mm is dual per lane, big ones can take up a lot of lanes. Our boards have that many parts and I use two machines (gx11 and a gc30). I think the Panasonic is probably a better option though.

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Mainteneer

#90738

Help finding a high capacity pick and place machine | 20 March, 2024

The Fuzion is an impressive machine but even more expensive. We went with Europlacer (iineo2). Loved it so much we already got another! The capacity, throughput, flexibility, accuracy, all just outstanding! In my next life I will probably sell them lol.

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Tom

#90775

Help finding a high capacity pick and place machine | 27 March, 2024

Go used. We have quarter million dollar UIC machines we bought for $10k and they are amazing. Just need to be able to read manuals and be resourceful without factory support. There are independent service companies if you need help. Overall its been good to us for over 10 years and I would highly recommend this route for a small business. You'll pay for the machines in months.

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