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Panasonic AM100 vs other Pick & Place

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#90814

Panasonic AM100 vs other Pick & Place | 4 April, 2024

Hi all, looking for some advice. We are in the market for some new pick and place machines and have had a quote for an AM100 from Panasonic. We are looking for flexibility and the ability to handle 0201 inch, all of which this machine seems to be able to do. The other option would be some secondhand JUKI machines that are already 10 years old plus, for about half the price, but there may be extras required with feeders and such. Would it be worth biting the bullet and getting the new, or search for secondhand with the consequences that come with that?

Thanks, any help would be grateful.

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#90815

Panasonic AM100 vs other Pick & Place | 4 April, 2024

With older machines you need to know their service history and working hours. Plenty of 10+ year old machines have done very little work and could easily do another 10 years the same. Other have worked non-stop on multi-shift lines, if something expensive hasn't failed already it probably will soon.

Juki's and the AM100 both have their own USP's, do you value any of them? I personally think modern Juki's are far more appealing than the models from 10+ years ago. The AM100 was already a flexible machine capable of being the only machine in the line even back then, Juki didn't really have an equivalent.

I'd be inclined to prefer new, the bundle with everything you need is almost certainly better value than what you can cobble together with a mix of old and new from various sources.

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#90850

Panasonic AM100 vs other Pick & Place | 10 April, 2024

It's really cool that you have such an idea. In fact, many companies now have changed their traditional thinking. Maybe 20 years ago, people thought that used things were bad. In fact, in the electronics manufacturing industry, the quality of our products from old brands is worthy of reliance, such as Panasonic, JUKI, FUJI, etc. They all exist For many years, they have been "forward thinking" and their equipment from 20 years ago is still active in the market.

Now affected by the global war, the economic system is very bad, and those established companies are choosing second-hand equipment, which is very economical. So you can feel free to use second-hand equipment.

Of course, when you choose second-hand equipment, you must ask the supplier to do inspections, such as aging parts replacement, CPK testing, aging testing, production mode testing, etc.

If you want you can write to me and I can give you some more ideas and suggestions. quinnsmt@gmail.com (Looking forward to hearing from you)

The AM100 machine is very good (by comparison, for machines of the same level, its production output can reach 95,000cph, and it is very flexible. Small chip components and large BGA and other components can be installed). We have used it before.

Now we prefer NPM-W2

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#90854

Panasonic AM100 vs other Pick & Place | 11 April, 2024

I have been in the arena with both new and used.

The 10 plus year old Juki's are solid machines unless someone neglected PM's. However...if something breaks and you can't repair yourself or source to third party, Juki will stick it to you. They may choose not to work on it at all.

It all depends on the scope of your operation. Couple quick prototypes per month is different than : "we have an SMT department and can build production volumes"

If you will be building every day I would recommend new. The argument is the amount of screwing around with used is more costly than new. Thats a hard pill for some to swallow but I assure you it's valid.

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