Programming with F4G

Dear all,

I don't know if I'm asking at the right place here, since you all seem to be more focused on process problems then programming problems (or perhaps programming isn't a problem for you).

I'm using FUJI CP642's and I've got some components that I would like to place at the last machine. However, F4G can't seem to separate the programs the way I want it to. I've come across something called the Permanent Set Table and it seems to be the solution to my problem. However, it's cryptic to say the least and I've tried to no avail to get it working for me.

So, just wondering if any of you has the solution to this mystery. By the way, your comments and discussions are very interesting, and I'm glad such a forum exists for our industry.

Thanks in advance. JC

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| Dear all, | | I don't know if I'm asking at the right place here, since you all seem to be more focused on process problems then programming problems (or perhaps programming isn't a problem for you). | | I'm using FUJI CP642's and I've got some components that I would like to place at the last machine. However, F4G can't seem to separate the programs the way I want it to. I've come across something called the Permanent Set Table and it seems to be the solution to my problem. However, it's cryptic to say the least and I've tried to no avail to get it working for me. | | So, just wondering if any of you has the solution to this mystery. By the way, your comments and discussions are very interesting, and I'm glad such a forum exists for our industry. | | Thanks in advance. | JC | JC, Although I do not have the answer you are looking for I have a question that might help. Is it possible for you to seperate the board you are trying to build into two? One consisting of the parts you want to put on the last machine. Then you could seperate the first program for the machines at the front of your line and the second program for the last machine. I don't use F4G, you probably realized this, but thought I give it a shot. We need more program issues on the site.

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| Dear all, | | I don't know if I'm asking at the right place here, since you all seem to be more focused on process problems then programming problems (or perhaps programming isn't a problem for you). | | I'm using FUJI CP642's and I've got some components that I would like to place at the last machine. However, F4G can't seem to separate the programs the way I want it to. I've come across something called the Permanent Set Table and it seems to be the solution to my problem. However, it's cryptic to say the least and I've tried to no avail to get it working for me. | | So, just wondering if any of you has the solution to this mystery. By the way, your comments and discussions are very interesting, and I'm glad such a forum exists for our industry. | | Thanks in advance. | JC | Hi, We've had the same problems using the seperator module.The easiest solution to your problem is to go ahead and create your programs,then just move the parts around..etc cut/paste. I know its not the perfect solution,but it is not that much trouble. I feel that F4G is a great tool,but like all software you have to work with it a little.Another option is to seperate your data before you covert it.For instance I'll put all 1005's etc on my first machine,then slower components on down the line.In other words I basically know what I want on a certain machine before I generate my program.I don't even use the seperator anymore.Hey it works for me! Good Luck! Thanks Kevin

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| | Dear all, | | | | I don't know if I'm asking at the right place here, since you all seem to be more focused on process problems then programming problems (or perhaps programming isn't a problem for you). | | | | I'm using FUJI CP642's and I've got some components that I would like to place at the last machine. However, F4G can't seem to separate the programs the way I want it to. I've come across something called the Permanent Set Table and it seems to be the solution to my problem. However, it's cryptic to say the least and I've tried to no avail to get it working for me. | | | | So, just wondering if any of you has the solution to this mystery. By the way, your comments and discussions are very interesting, and I'm glad such a forum exists for our industry. | | | | Thanks in advance. | | JC | | | JC, | Although I do not have the answer you are looking for I have a question that might help. Is it possible for you to seperate the board you are trying to build into two? One consisting of the parts you want to put on the last machine. Then you could seperate the first program for the machines at the front of your line and the second program for the last machine. | I don't use F4G, you probably realized this, but thought I give it a shot. We need more program issues on the site. | | Dear Both,

Actually, these suggestions are pretty good! I guess we rely on Fuji's software so much that we don't know how to be creative.

I'll separate my parts in two groups before generating my programs for separate machines. I think I can get one of our guys who's pretty slick with Excel macros to come up with something, too.

Thanks for your suggestions!

But IS there an answer for the Permanent Set Table? I'm beginning to think that Fuji is playing a sick, sick joke on us!

JC

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| | | Dear all, | | | | | | I don't know if I'm asking at the right place here, since you all seem to be more focused on process problems then programming problems (or perhaps programming isn't a problem for you). | | | | | | I'm using FUJI CP642's and I've got some components that I would like to place at the last machine. However, F4G can't seem to separate the programs the way I want it to. I've come across something called the Permanent Set Table and it seems to be the solution to my problem. However, it's cryptic to say the least and I've tried to no avail to get it working for me. | | | | | | So, just wondering if any of you has the solution to this mystery. By the way, your comments and discussions are very interesting, and I'm glad such a forum exists for our industry. | | | | | | Thanks in advance. | | | JC | | | | | JC, | | Although I do not have the answer you are looking for I have a question that might help. Is it possible for you to seperate the board you are trying to build into two? One consisting of the parts you want to put on the last machine. Then you could seperate the first program for the machines at the front of your line and the second program for the last machine. | | I don't use F4G, you probably realized this, but thought I give it a shot. We need more program issues on the site. | | | | | Dear Both, | | Actually, these suggestions are pretty good! I guess we rely on Fuji's software so much that we don't know how to be creative. | | I'll separate my parts in two groups before generating my programs for separate machines. I think I can get one of our guys who's pretty slick with Excel macros to come up with something, too. | | Thanks for your suggestions! | | But IS there an answer for the Permanent Set Table? I'm beginning to think that Fuji is playing a sick, sick joke on us! | | JC |

I don't use the seperator, it causes me nothing but trouble, so I do all the line balancing manually before F4G. We have some in-house written software to assist with the conversion (correcting rotations and such) but Excell should also work fine for you.

I've used the Permanent Set Table function with F4G a couple times. The key is to set-up your input file with the correct format. I believe Fuji supplies a sample file that can be used as a template. It can greatly reduce change-over time if you have a large mix of similar products. It wasn't worht the hassle for us.

I'm curiuos, how many F4G users have CATS (CAD Alignment Time Saver)? It's a great little package that turns a delimeted CAD file into a "pre-CAD Convert" file, giving the software all the data it needs to create the PCB file, assigns main-mark & sub-marks, and structures the untit data with the sequence data (no more entering slot numbers into the sequence one at a time). Saves us a lot of tedious manual adjustments to the programs. I don't know if Fuji supplies this package with F4G any longer (there was no mention of it in training)

Oh well, don't know if I helped you much.

Good luck, Jason Tomlinson

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