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Hi, I work at an electronics manufacturing company and righ... - May 13, 2019 by Relay

Do you have in line 3D Solder Paste Inspection machines? If ... - May 13, 2019 by Robl

Thank you for your quick answer. We don't have SPI, but our... - May 13, 2019 by Relay

No problem. We are very high mix too, but when we switched ... - May 13, 2019 by Robl

Interesting, I've not had a hands on with either Hawkeye or ... - May 13, 2019 by Spoiltforchoice

Hi Spoiltforchoice, it depends on what you pay for the prin... - May 13, 2019 by Robl

Relay

#82547

Inline printer experience | 13 May, 2019

Hi,

I work at an electronics manufacturing company and right now, we are selecting a new screen printer instead of our old Samsung SP-450. Does anyone have some experience with these machines or at least manufacturers?

These ones are basic and similar price wise - E by Dek, US-2000QX (Ese), SP700 (Speedprint)

These ones have additional jet print after stencil printing, which we are rather interested in. - Neohorizon 03iX (Dek), SP710 (Speedprint)

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Robl

#82553

Inline printer experience | 13 May, 2019

Do you have in line 3D Solder Paste Inspection machines? If not the 2D inspection on the SP710 is very slow & not a patch on Hawkeye from DEK. If print time is not an issue then it doesn't matter.

I have had both types of machine, and personally prefer DEK.

Have you also looked at Ekra and Yamaha? Yamaha's latest has some quite interesting tech in, especially around the blade & holder.

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Relay

#82554

Inline printer experience | 13 May, 2019

Thank you for your quick answer.

We don't have SPI, but our main constrain is pick and place as our production is very high mix.

I'll definitely take a look at Ekra and Yamaha.

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Robl

#82555

Inline printer experience | 13 May, 2019

No problem.

We are very high mix too, but when we switched to 100% paste inspection to counteract the ineffective paste roll detection we found the printer was now by far the slowest.

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Spoiltforchoice

#82556

Inline printer experience | 13 May, 2019

Interesting, I've not had a hands on with either Hawkeye or Ppeedprint SPI, however I was under the impression that speedprint printers give you an awful lot of printer for your money, comparing quite favorably with Asian brands with strong feature sets, and that comaprable machines from MPM or DEK (excluding their E-Series which is a budget offering) were much more expensive.

It used to be that only one or two brands got a mention when printing came up, even for those people who had Yamaha lines, they'd buy a DEK. Is something changing? I noticed that when Nidec put in a new line reently, that was entirely Yamaha, the press release also didn't mention local representation at all. Timing would have put the purchase right in the middle of Blundell taking on all Yamaha from their rival instead of just iPulse.

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Robl

#82557

Inline printer experience | 13 May, 2019

Hi Spoiltforchoice,

it depends on what you pay for the printers new, but last time I looked there wasn't much difference in price between the DEKs and the Speedprint if you were buying multiple units. Remember there is huge markups on SMT kit. From experience I've used Hawkeye previously and I've got Speedprints now. I've also had a good nose inside the Yamaha printers on a number of occasions.

Regarding Yamaha complete lines they are going for full integration, so their Printers, SPIs, SMT, AOI's etc all properly link in to each other and can be programmed & setup in one go direct from P-Tool.

The Speedprint will talk to most SPIs, but further full integration isn't there yet with the Europlacer SMT platform, AOI etc. Even with Factorylogix or Mentor it won't do everything as seamlessly.

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