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Can anyone provide the corresponding Yamaha model numbers fo... - Jun 29, 2005 by Eamexco  

Hi Darby, What is the cph rate and component range for th... - Jul 06, 2005 by Jason Robotham - Tekmart  

many thanks Darby ... - Jul 08, 2005 by Jason Robotham - Tekmart  

Hi Darby, Orion is the same as Topaz and Yamaga YV100?? ... - Nov 30, 2006 by Jason Robotham - Tekmart  

Thanks Darby. Are the CSM Orion and Topaz the feeders the... - Dec 04, 2006 by Jason Robotham - Tekmart  

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#35225

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 29 June, 2005

Can anyone provide the corresponding Yamaha model numbers for the old Philips CSM84 & CSM 84 VZ machines? Thanks.

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#35229

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 29 June, 2005

Wow, Was I born yet? How about YM84S. I even have the Yamaha brochure. Do you think it could be worth something?

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#35260

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 30 June, 2005

CSM 84 = YM84S CSM84VZ = YM84VII Generally referred to as the "Hyper" series. Model numbers went something like this - YM51VM, YM51VMII, YM53VT, YM53VTII, YM58VA, YM58VAII, YM100VP, YM100VPII, YM66S, YM84S, YM84V, YM12D. Other models were "created" towards the end. I believe YM referred to Yamama Motor The number referred to the amount of 8mm feeder positions. The next letters referred to options - V = Fixed Vision. M = Mechanical Centering Unit. II = Z axis motor on head 3 as opposed to straight pneumatic control. T = Tray Fixture. A = Auto Tray Stacker. P = not sure, but I think referred to what was called a Prep Head S = Standard R-DC Synchro Head. D = Dispense. I hope I have these right, if not I'm sure someone will correct me. Before the Hyper Series came the 21 Series and before that the 20 Series - which I think may have been the first. I still run a YM66S-YM84S-YM51VII in line and generally get about 60,000 to 70,000 components per 7hrs running time per day. Clunky, but a lot of fun and a great hands on teaching machines. They have a bit of everything.

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#35266

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 1 July, 2005

To: Greg and Darby. Thanks for the help. Have a nice holiday weekend, if you celebrate July 4. Nick Haviland

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Jason Robotham - Tekmart

#35341

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 6 July, 2005

Hi Darby,

What is the cph rate and component range for the CSM 84VZ?

Thanks, jason@tekmart.com

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#35376

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 7 July, 2005

This is a very difficult question to answer as it will depend greatly on your component mix. I will presume that the CSM 84VZ is of the following configuration: 2 x RDC Synchro Heads. Heads 1 & 2. These are mechanically centering heads with a chucking assembly attached to each head. Using different combinations of jaws and nozzles on these you can place anything from an 0603 to PLCC84 - up to 30sq mm. But keep in mind that once you have set a head up with a particular jaw/nozzle combination you can't change it without recalibrating the new jaw/nozzle combo. The set up you choose has a mechanical limit of reach - if you set up an IC chucking assembly on a head then it won't do a 1206 as the jaws will not make contact with the component. If you set up a head for a PLCC44 then you will noy be able to do an SOP-16 etc for the same reason. 0603 is difficult but achievable as long as you dedicate that head to those components.

1 x Vision head with Z-axis motor. Head 3. If this unit has a Nozzle changing Station (3 nozzles)you can do from SOP-8 to QFP and I have seen a BGA option on some machines but do not know the limitations of this feature. Maximum size, lead pitch and number will depend on the camera and software. The standard camera will do 0.65mm pitch no problem and can do 0.50 without too many glitches up to 32sq mm. I think the vision system on these is pretty good. If you are having some consistent misplacement you can actually edit the scale and shift parameters in the individual vision files (Max 29 components #0 is reserved for fid. Everything in these machines is ASCII based.

The two RDC Synchro head will pick up together as long as you program the sequence 1-2 but Head 3 always acts alone.

On a mixed board, 26 parts, 14 head 1, 9 head 2, 3 head 3. I could get about 10,000 to 12,000 components per 8 hour shift. A rough guide is 2-3 seconds per cycle for heads 1 and 2 and 5-8 seconds per cycle for head 3. If the unit has a Mechanical centering station then if you use that your cycle time will be 8 - 10 seconds. Nozzle change takes about 5 - 7 seconds Please keep in mind that you cannot slow this machine down for individual components - you must use the correct Nozzle on the Vision Head or slow the machine down for all components. Head 1 & 2 are mechanically set for pickup and placement heights and speed -they are not component or feeder based. The only thing you can do is put on a lower timer for pick up and placement of 0 - 0.25sec. Having said all that, having one of these machines can be frustrating, having two or three in line and you can do most things. BUT, they are getting on and are no longer supported by Yamaha. Feeders are expensive and not of any use on subsequent or previous models. (YM112 may be OK). Cheers, Darby.

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Jason Robotham - Tekmart

#35405

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 8 July, 2005

many thanks Darby

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#35424

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 11 July, 2005

I was wondering what is the equivalent of the Philips Eclipse 1 as per Yamaha Part Number. I know that the Philips Topaz is the Yamaha YV100 but for the Philips Eclipse, I couldn't find anything.

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Base

#35598

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 18 July, 2005

Eclipse/Emerald: Yamaha #88 Orion / Topaz: Yamaha #100 Sapphire: Yamaha #112

Yamaha typically uses the number of usable feeder-positions as their model number.

Greets, Base

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EAMEXCO

#35603

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 18 July, 2005

Thanks to everyone for your help. Nick Haviland.

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#45627

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 26 November, 2006

Ciao Darby, Can you tell me which feeders type or model the CSM 84 VZ fits, and if this machine have the fiducial camera? Where can I find more information about it? Thank You Marina

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#45691

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 27 November, 2006

G'day Marina, Only YM/CSM seies feeders will fit these machines. Feeders were generally prefixed as Y8, Y12 = mechanical advance 8mm, 12mm. There may be some Y16 in existence but I doubt it. HA12, HA16 = air activated 12mm, 16mm. The HA12 could take smaller AlCaps A24, A32, A44 = air activated etc. HMS = gravity fed multistick feeder.

There were also "stick shooter" feeders for single tubes and various widths of "sticky tape" feeders for the old style bandoliers were there was no cover tape and the componets were held in place by tape underneath the component. I don't know the prefixes for these.

This model SHOULD have the fiducial camera.

I guess the best way to learn more about them is to get a manual. I'm sorry, I don't have one in an electronic format. Post questions on the forum - plenty of us still run these things.

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MarinaG

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Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 28 November, 2006

Many thanks for your help. Grazie mille. Marina

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Jason Robotham - Tekmart

#45831

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 30 November, 2006

Hi Darby,

Orion is the same as Topaz and Yamaga YV100?? What are the differences betwen Orion/Topz?

Thanks, Jason

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#45903

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 3 December, 2006

Sorry Jason, can't help you there. I've never dealt with the YV series. They were a different animal from the YM. The YM112 was a sort of crossover machine and was the first to use touchless centering as the standard process. The YV series followed soon after. It has only just dawned on me that YM may have designated Yamaha Mechanical and YV Yamaha Vision.

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Jason Robotham - Tekmart

#45934

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 4 December, 2006

Thanks Darby.

Are the CSM Orion and Topaz the feeders the same?

What are the major differences between Orion and Topaz?

Regards, Jason

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#47215

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 5 February, 2007

I'm looking for the Philips CSM 84 VZ user and service manuals, and if it's possible, some advice to start with this machine, it's till in the crating! I don't want to do damages or mistakes. Can anyone help me? Tanks Marina

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stephan

#47240

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 6 February, 2007

hallo , the orions servos are dc servos, the topas servos are AC servos the controller are mx1 and mx2

stephan from germany

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Tech

#47340

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 7 February, 2007

Contact smtservice@comcast.net They have manuals for the CSM 84 VZ.

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#47386

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 8 February, 2007

Marina---Good morning from sunny & 0 degrees F Lake Geneva, WI. We may be able to help. What manuals do you need and where are you located? Thanks, Nick H.

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#47391

Yamaha/Philips Model Number Cross References | 8 February, 2007

Good morning - I need the "service" manuals for the csm 84 vz. At the moment I must receive the operation manual next week. Originals or fotocopy don't mater. I am in Italy - Varese. Thank you Marina

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