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Steve Thomas

#34476

I'm back in the saddle, and it's a .... | 25 May, 2005

tuckered pony I'm riding.

Nearly two years off from the biz, and the place I landed is the place I sold a bunch of used equipment to while at my last job. It's deja vu all over again.

Anyway, I'm a little more active with the placement equipment here and I have a question about OLD technology, specifically a Quad 1000. Currently we have a IVc and a IIIc (both stand-alones) in operation, a recently acquired inline IVc that's being resurrected,and an inline dual head 1000 purchased used that's gathering dust and has never been used.

The potential advantages of a line set up with 3 heads running are intriguing, but I fear the headaches involved with getting an old timer like a 1000 dancing at all, let alone with a IVc, might be insurmountable. What do you think, folks?

Steve

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bobpan

#34479

I'm back in the saddle, and it's a .... | 25 May, 2005

Steve, Use the 1000 as a chip shooter only (and thats if it works once you turn it on). If you have problems with the 1000 just post questions as i am one of the last guys on the planet that knows that machine (and its been a while since i have worked on them). I would place it in front of the 4c and put most of the bigger parts on with the 4c. Also you will have problems with autoprogram and trying to use the software for a 1000 and a 4c ( i think, once again...its been a while). Just use AP for the 4c and manually teach the 1000.

Anyways....thats my 2 cents worth.

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Steve Thomas

#34480

I'm back in the saddle, and it's a .... | 25 May, 2005

"I would place it in front of the 4c and put most of the bigger parts on with the 4c."

Thanks, Bob. That indeed is the way I envision it. Granted, I envision it running flawlessly as well.

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KEN

#34496

I'm back in the saddle, and it's a .... | 25 May, 2005

Resurecting this old technology is like putting a microprocessor into a tooth brush.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Let's be honest. It wasn't that great to begin with. Do you actually think it's gotten any better?

Garbage in...garbage out.

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#34503

I'm back in the saddle, and it's a .... | 26 May, 2005

hmmmmmm.....electric toothbrush........never heard of it...

hahhahahahahha.........chow

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#34511

I'm back in the saddle, and it's a .... | 26 May, 2005

And would it be worth ressurecting anything from before the boom-bust a few years ago?

There were a lot of cancelled orders for new machines and the market dropped out of the used equipment market. I'm sure most of the cancelled order machines are sold by now but I worked for a place that upgraded machinery because the owner could get a great deal on new machines that the OEM wanted to push.

I don't think management always considers hidden costs. A lot of times a dirt cheap machine is more expensive than a more recent machine.

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Steve Thomas

#34516

it's simply a cost issue. | 26 May, 2005

"Just because you can doesn't mean you should."

It's not a "can" issue at all, at least prior to trying it. It's a "have" issue.

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#34539

it's simply a cost issue. | 26 May, 2005

I would reccomend a good location for the 1000, in the dupster. It wasn't even made by Quad, not that its a bad thing. C series are pretty much crap for today's requirements. FYI: Tyco/Quad is offically out of pick-&-place machine designing and manufacturing. The Q series is dead. They are just a distributor for Mirae (Korean) now.

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#34544

it's simply a cost issue. | 26 May, 2005

And they won't be the Mirae distributor for much longer by the way.

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#34634

None of that is in the least bit... | 30 May, 2005

helpful, but thanks for playing.

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#34646

it's simply a cost issue. | 31 May, 2005

Fastek, Please elaborate...

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#34663

it's simply a cost issue. | 31 May, 2005

Steve,

Thise old Quad's will work just fine if you have low qty's to build. I would take them any day over a huge new Fuji line that is only good for large qty runs. We presently have a line that is coming up on 10 years old and it works just fine for a contract house that runs 2 to 20000 borads a day. Your Quad's will be alot slower but they will produce smaller qty PCB's very accuratly. There is no need to drop $500,000 to $1,000,000 on a newer line only to gain a few hours in production. Good luck with the old dogs!

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KEN

#34667

it's simply a cost issue. | 31 May, 2005

DUCKMAN, your comparison is the same differnce.

Meaning its not much of a choice: 1. 10 year old technology, no longer supported, spares hard to find, no software fixes, training etc...crappy hardware / software, lousey, overly complex feeders etc...I could go on and on...

2. Rigid technology, huge machinery, complex programming architechure, and lets be honest not the best industry support...

I guess I don't see the difference? I debate quick-turns on either platform.

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