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large bga (55mmx44mm) capable placement machines?

#30432

large bga (55mmx44mm) capable placement machines? | 8 September, 2004

Hello, I'm looking for a lower end used machine that can place a 55x44mm sized bga component, placement speed is n't concern.

At the moment I have only found the quad ivc to be capable although I'm worried about the placement accuracy and repeatability numbers of this machine.

I like the look of the mydata tp9-ufp but I'm not sure if this machine can handle the size although the newer machines do.

The component is n't actually a semiconductor but a pga to bga 754pin zif socket, 1.27mm pitch outer dimension ~55mmx44mm and inner bga grid ~35mmx35mm.

Any of your thoughts are appeciated.

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KEN

#30436

large bga (55mmx44mm) capable placement machines? | 8 September, 2004

Philips Emerald & Emerald-X is specified at max 54mm device. However I have placed 58mm devices. These machines have published accuracies at 0.02mm. Have seen as low as 0.007mm.

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FD

#30440

large bga (55mmx44mm) capable placement machines? | 8 September, 2004

Our Juki KE-2020 can place up to 74mm X 74mm ICs and BGA.

I am have placed this zif socket before on the KE-2020 that you are speaking of.

I don't think the KE-2020s are being made any longer. I know the new KE-2060 machines (that replaced the KE-2020) are also capable of placing these parts.

So maybe you can talk with Juki about purchasing a refurbish KE-2020 or a new KE-2060 machine.

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Simon UK

#30447

large bga (55mmx44mm) capable placement machines? | 9 September, 2004

I think if the machine has the capability of multiple fields of view (Quad systems do!) You can mesure any device with the visual camera to circa 80mm2.

Simon

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Rob

#30448

large bga (55mmx44mm) capable placement machines? | 9 September, 2004

Hi,

Depends on where in the world you're based, but in the UK you can pick up a decent Universal GSM1 for around �12K-�15K ($20K-$27K). We place BGA's, huge fine pitch IC's, 72mm connectors etc with no problem. I believe they do up to 100mm feeders.

Good luck,

Rob.

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#30461

large bga (55mmx44mm) capable placement machines? | 9 September, 2004

Thank you all for your replies.

Coincidently I am in the UK and doing research for a purchase in the first half of next year for export.

At that price range what year of manufacture are we looking at? Looking at the specs it looks like a good, well-built machine.

The purchase will be our sole p&p machine so any insights on this model would be appreciated.

Thanks again

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Sue

#30463

large bga (55mmx44mm) capable placement machines? | 9 September, 2004

Yes, a MYDATA TP9 UFP machine can place components up to 2.2" square without any modifications. Refurbished TP9 UFP machines sell for about $45K in the USA.

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Rob

#30471

large bga (55mmx44mm) capable placement machines? | 10 September, 2004

Hi,

It should get you at least a 1997 machine, but the age isn't as critical as the UPS level - you want at least 3.2.3. They are good machines & are well built, and at least comparable with any other second user machines (although not in the Fuji/Panasonic league). If you are planning on looking for one, aquiring a RAMTIF (bolt on Matrix tray feeder) would be a good idea.

One thing to bear in mind is these are serious assembly machines, and not as user friendly as some of the smaller low end machines (not ment in a disparaging way)such as the TWS Quadra's etc. You have to be prepared to pay for training if you can't find anyone with experience.

You've really got to look at the total cost of ownership (buy price, feeders, training, repair, nozzles, spares etc.) before you go ahead and make a purchasing decision. For us, we had no problem as we had the expertise to run and fix the machines, and we found reliable & cost effective spares suppliers which keeps the running costs right down.

Also - what is the support infrastructure like in the region you will be shipping to (Turkey?)?

Good luck,

Best regards,

Rob.

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#30475

large bga (55mmx44mm) capable placement machines? | 10 September, 2004

Thanks again for your insights. I'm just learning the details of these machines so you'ill have to bear with me. The descision will be made in around 6 months so I thought I would start my research sooner rather than later.

I did get the impression that these machines are on another level just by looking at the CPH and the multitude of options available for the machine.

I was envisaging employing someone relatively "fresh" and getting them trained up, however I am mindful that a more capable machine will require more training.

The machine will be going to Turkey (good guess) and there is a service and parts contact listed on the Universal site, I'ill have to get in contact with them as things move along.

You are of course correct about the TCO issues. My thinking on this is that if I do get a larger machine and run it lightly, the period between major services should be longer than a smaller machine. As support and location may be an issue, if the machine is going to be offline for a week before I can get someone down to service it I'd rather the periods before servicing be as long as possible. Is this thinking flawed when it comes to p&p machines?

Many thanks again

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Rob

#30492

large bga (55mmx44mm) capable placement machines? | 14 September, 2004

Hello again Mr Bayram,

You will need to do certain tasks to schedule - things like lubrication etc, but these are very simple tasks. But yes, if you are running a lot slower then the major service tasks will be less frequent.

One thing I ought to mention though is these machines run a lot better when used constantly. they don't always like being left for weeks doing nothing.

Regarding parts support there are some very good suppliers of reconditioned & tested used parts out there, who can usually ship next day (for the GSM's we've found Peter & Bob Brill (www.smtsales.com) to be very good).

Hope that helps,

Cheers,

Rob.

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#30525

large bga (55mmx44mm) capable placement machines? | 15 September, 2004

Thank you Rob for all the help, it has cleared up a lot of things. The smtsales site looks good too, I'ill definitely be giving them a call when the time comes.

Thanks again.

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