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Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points

CJN

#19646

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 23 April, 2002

I want feedback from people that currently have these machines or that I have worked with them in recent years. No Quad reps please, although your opinion may be valuable it may be bias to Quad.

Here are a few areas of good points and bad point I would like to discuss. 1. Programming (ease or difficult) 2. Maintenance (how much upkeep to keep them fully functional) 3. Calibrations 4. Operations 5. Speed and reliability compared to leading manufacturers (Fuji, Universal, Siemens and Panasonic 6. Flexibility high and low mix production

Thanks for your help on my personal project.

Regards, CjN

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binns

#19649

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 23 April, 2002

I have a couple of questions for you, and a couple of answers. 1. Which model ? (100, IIc, IVc, QSV, QSP ) 2. In reference to how the machine stacks up with Fuji and Panasonic. They have never stacked up. Those families of machines have historically been in different market segments. 3.Quad Q series is built for high mix - low to medium volume. 4.Changeover is fast and simple, the programming can accomodate multiple boards or families of boards on one tabletop. 5. The Q series doesn't have that funky magazine set up like Mydata, you simply load the feeders for the job you need to build. 6. The IQ system is excellent and may have the audio kit installed, which allows the machine to "talk" to the operators. 7. I have several Quad Q series and they are all to the latest rev of software, if you are looking at an earlier machine be sure to check the software and the hardware as you be getting an older machine and it may need to be upgraded for all of the latest and greatest. 8. I have had the C Series in the past and I liked those also as long as you can get over the older software and slower speed @ 2,ooo cph. 9. Quad is now part of Tyco, the service i have seen has not suffered with the Quad stuff.

In summary, with a good PM schedule the machine is reliable mechanically, the placements are good down to 12 mil pitch and the software has an incredible amount of functions including networking etc. I have used other platforms in the past and I settled with Quad for the above reasons and more. The only bad points I would have is when the platform was brand new and the typical problems associated with a new machine release. Screen printers and Ovens are a totally different story in my book.............. Hope this helps, good luck.

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CJN

#19666

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 24 April, 2002

Thanks for the info. I am looking at a new job and they use Quad machines. Not really sure which machines they have yet. I just wanted to do a little research so I do not walk in blind.

Do you know Quad's website?

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binns

#19675

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 24 April, 2002

Quad is Tyco now but you can get to the site by going to http://www.quad-sys.com

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darryl s

#19751

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 2 May, 2002

I have a Quad QSP-2 for 5 years and I have had no problems with it. We run it 16 hours per day 6 days a week. Software is good. Service is excellent Quadcare is expensive. The only drawback that I see is tapefeeder repeatability. Seems that the part centers drift and have to be recentered frequently. This is my sixth Quad machine since 1986. You can not classify the Quad with Panasonic, Fuji, Sanyo or Siemens. Quad is an accurate, well built low volume, entry level machine while the others mentioned are much quicker and less flexible than the Quad. re ds

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BTaylor

#19753

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 2 May, 2002

I have used Quad/ Now Tyco since the early 90s starting with the 4c then on to the QSA-30s, APS-1, and now the Meridian 1010. We have six machines in a very small area and place over 10 million components per month. As others have said the service is great, within hours most cases. A good P.M. program is key to any surface mount machine. We just put in a new line that runs about 15,000 cph and it works very well.I have had very good experience with Quad over the years or I would not be using them.

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#19755

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 2 May, 2002

Hello,

BUY Juki! Trust me on this one, I have experinced both and I may change careers if I find out I'm going to support another Quad line. There is a reason why that company struggles every year. Quad is not in the same market with the Fuji and Panasonic. Juki has it's own little issues, but far, Far better equipment than the quad equipment.

1. Programming (ease or difficult) 2. Maintenance (how much upkeep to keep them fully functional) 3. Calibrations 4. Operations 5. Speed and reliability compared to leading manufacturers (Fuji, Universal, Siemens and Panasonic 6. Flexibility high and low mix production

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#19758

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 2 May, 2002

I don't have Quad machines but I would like to say that all Quad machines are not manufactured by Quad. IIC, IVC, QSP-2, APS-1, QSX, AVX are Quad. CP series are Samsung. Meridian series are Mirae. The reliability and ease of use of these models may vary with manufacturer. Know what model numbers you are considering and check their histories.

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CAL

#19762

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 3 May, 2002

Gregp hit the nail on the head.Some of Quads Platforms were of the private label but Samsung and Mirea are no longer partners with Quad. Samsung and Mirae are independant now in the market. Machines made by Quad are stable.I do not know how Multitroniks machines have performed since coming under the Tyco umbrella.

Quads target is the mid range manufacturer and Siemens, UIC, Pannasonic. Fuji are concidered upper end. Assembleon bridges the mid to upper level with there plaftforms.

Follow this link to a buyers guide: PNPhttp://www.smtinfocus.com/buyersguide_placement.html

Most of the machines out there has there purpose you just need to find what your needs are

There are a host of machines not listed on that link...let me know if you need me to spell them out for ya

Cal Manncorp www.manncorp.com

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???

#19830

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 8 May, 2002

To those who are looking towards a Tyco....yes ...Tyco machine....be wary....as Tyco is not turning around a failing company but ruining the attitudes and dedication of the employees that were left. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they stopped manufacturing machines in the near future.

Thanks

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ztech

#23176

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 27 January, 2003

The previous entry is a very good point. After dealing with quad/tyco I have such a horrible taste in my mouth from thier lack of professionalism and dishonesty, that I wouldn't buy a tyco product if they paid me to take it. If I were a betting man, I would say their automation department will be out of buisiness in 3 years.

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Jon Fox

#23178

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 27 January, 2003

I'm a former Q/M/Tyco field guy, what was so bad? I know the guys in tech support, and as far as I'm concerned they are all top notch guys when it comes to troubleshooting and finding problems with their equipment. Not only that, but the Quad machines have been around awhile and most of the major issues have been gone for some time. Drop me an email, maybe I can help you (I've been helping some others).

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Mell

#23179

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 28 January, 2003

ztech, Let's see..you recently have had a bad experience with a tyco machine. You do a search on the forum and reply to postings a few months old to one that is a few years old, (see posting below). I am certain that if you have a legitimate problem it would be corrected, but that would not be as much fun as going to smt net and bashing an equipment supplier in an apparently one sided display, I am sure all manufacturers would handle problems offline and not entertain and encourage non-productive postings as yours. I am an avid reader of this forum for the helpful insight and experiences people have with processes and (sometimes) equipment. Be a big boy/girl and handle it professionaly, let people post useful info.

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Brian Doyle

#23180

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 28 January, 2003

I actually removed his other post that was to a four year old thread. Complaints about a company are fine, and in fact we encourage the debates (in a timely manner). However, having an axe to grind...on a four year old thread, will get removed.

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dan

#24565

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 22 May, 2003

Hi Jon,

I recently had the opportunity to look over a used IIIc converted to a IVc. The documentation, software and spare parts supplied with the machine seem more than adequate, however, upon spending several hours cleaning, oiling, familiarizing, tightening and replacing, I can not even program the nozzle locations!

The mod codes are stored, so the board battery does not seem to be the problem. The hand held terminal accepts commands and properly goes into teach mode (w/vision system). A problem I do see is manuals that seem to be full of typos, conflicting, confusing and impossible instructions (move upward looking camera to location number 2, huh?).

Yes, the purchaser saved a bundle buying this machine from a broker. He has several small projects to complete. He can not justify the cost of manufacturers service. Should he be able to learn and operate this machine from the manuals?

Any and all advice will be appreciated. How much time have you got?

Thank you for your time,

Dan M

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ssnow

#24573

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 22 May, 2003

I have to agree with you on the documentation side of the manuals ,they were written before they ever hired a tech writer, when they finally did they wrote manuals for the newer stuff and let the older machines alone. The basic's are pretty straight forward, you teach a pick position then a place position and create a sequence step program. The calibration if there is no upward vision is the camera to nozzle offset, that about it.Mod code 50&51,54&55, there both the same value. This would be the first thing I would verify before you wack a Z-rod and find that Tyco want 275.00 for a replacement. I use silly putty to verify this calibration by moving to this location with the camera,switch verify, then lower the z until an impression is made,switch verify back and view how off or on your offset is.

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ssnow

#24581

Quad Machines? Good Points / Bad Points | 23 May, 2003

let me know if i can be of any assistence with your delima. The machines have there own personality that requires some time to get to know much like women in fact I have seen people name them after females , however that would be another thread.

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