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John

#15690

SMT Pick and Place | 28 May, 1998

Our company is currently looking to implement a SMT production line. What I am looking for is feedback on people's experiences with various machines. Here's what we are in the market for: Low/Mid volume 3,000+cph machine that can handle high job flexibility Our jobs would require that the machine has~100 8mm feeder capability, run small batches sequentially and be capable of reading barcode or labeling product. The board will be mixed technology and the most difficult part will be an SOIC. The parts will be glued and wavesoldered. The machines currently under consideration(in no particular order) are: Philips Quad Mydata Contact Systems Universal Any feedback will be appreciated.

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Gary Simbulan

#15702

Re: SMT Pick and Place | 28 May, 1998

| Our company is currently looking to implement a SMT production line. What I am looking for is feedback on people's experiences with various machines. | Here's what we are in the market for: | Low/Mid volume 3,000+cph machine that can handle high job flexibility | Our jobs would require that the machine has~100 8mm feeder capability, run small batches sequentially and be capable of reading barcode or labeling product. The board will be mixed technology and the most difficult part will be an SOIC. The parts will be glued and wavesoldered. The machines currently under consideration(in no particular order) are: | Philips | Quad | Mydata | Contact Systems | Universal | Any feedback will be appreciated. You should seriously consider adding Multitroniks to your list of machines being considered. The setup is fast and intelligent, feeder capacity is on one the highest and the options you require are available. We run a high mix low volume line with a single machine and the configurability was our reason for buying Multitroniks. No machine is without some deficiencies, but this one has worked well for us. Gary

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skhun

#15701

Re: SMT Pick and Place | 28 May, 1998

| Our company is currently looking to implement a SMT production line. What I am looking for is feedback on people's experiences with various machines. | Here's what we are in the market for: | Low/Mid volume 3,000+cph machine that can handle high job flexibility | Our jobs would require that the machine has~100 8mm feeder capability, run small batches sequentially and be capable of reading barcode or labeling product. The board will be mixed technology and the most difficult part will be an SOIC. The parts will be glued and wavesoldered. The machines currently under consideration(in no particular order) are: | Philips | Quad | Mydata | Contact Systems | Universal | Any feedback will be appreciated.

John, This is a feedback from me. I prefer machine type UNIVERSAL model HSP4795. This machine capability to run up to 30,000 chip per hour and 160, 8mm feeders. It also have Barcode functions to prevent wrong feeder location or parts.

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John Ryder

#15700

Re: SMT Pick and Place | 29 May, 1998

John, The Philips GEM Eclipse would be my suggestion, based on your description. Check out our web site at www.philips-ia.com, or for a list of references and more detailed information, reply by e-mail or call me directly at 781-933-2710. =JR=

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Chris Ellis

#15699

Re: SMT Pick and Place | 29 May, 1998

John, I sell preowned and reconditioned PCB assembly equipment for a company called Insertech. We would have several pieces that would meet your needs and were typicaly 40-60% lower than the cost of new. If your interested in recieving any info. from us, give me a call at 610.584.3346 and I will be happy to get some stuff out to you. Chris Ellis Regional Customer Service and Sales Manager

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Steve Holzman

#15698

Re: SMT Pick and Place | 29 May, 1998

| John, A year ago we did a serious market analysis prior to purchasing a couple new machines. We looked carefully at the same machines that you did and settled on the Philips Orion and Philips Eclipse. We have had the machines online for a year and have had no regrets. Philips is an excellent company to deal with and extremely responsive. Have had no down time at all with their equipment and always have help when we need it. I'd do it again. Will provide details if you are interested. Steve Holzman

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Chris

#15697

Re: SMT Pick and Place | 1 June, 1998

I'm currently running with a Quad IVc p&p machine, upgraded from a IIIc. I have found that the biggest problem -specifically in the U.K. - is the company itself. I have come across instances of irregular pricing for the same product, or the old favorite of a 'cheap' base unit and then very expensive add-ons (an 8mm feeder = approx �800) and that is only when you can get the information from Quad itself. However it seems to fit all your other requirements suitably. 1> I run about forty different boards ranging from single to double sided & from 0603 to 324 PBGA. 2> The placement rate is around your spec. 3> And depending on the table arrangement you can get up to & above your feeder needs including several soic vibrator plates.

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Robert Horowitz

#15696

Re: SMT Pick and Place | 3 June, 1998

My name is Robert Horowitz with Contact Systems. We meet all the specs. you defined including Bar Code reading of both boards and components. Please call me at (203) 743-3837 for more information.

Regards, Robert Horowitz Sales Manager Contact Systems (203) 743-3837 www.contactsystems.com

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Rin

#15695

Re: SMT Pick and Place | 5 June, 1998

| Our company is currently looking to implement a SMT production line. What I am looking for is feedback on people's experiences with various machines. | Here's what we are in the market for: | Low/Mid volume 3,000+cph machine that can handle high job flexibility | Our jobs would require that the machine has~100 8mm feeder capability, run small batches sequentially and be capable of reading barcode or labeling product. The board will be mixed technology and the most difficult part will be an SOIC. The parts will be glued and wavesoldered. The machines currently under consideration(in no particular order) are: | Philips | Quad | Mydata | Contact Systems | Universal | Any feedback will be appreciated. John, I think Mydata TP18 would meet your requirement. Quick programming , set up change over and the CPH 2500 to 8000 chips to BGA. They also has the SMART Magazine(feeder). Call me if you want to know more 408-557-7376 Rin

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andy jones

#15694

Re: SMT Pick and Place | 6 June, 1998

I am the UK sales manager for Europlacer and therefore biased. However our Europlacer range would be perfectly suited to your application. We supply as standard intelligent feeders so barcoding etc is no problem. please contact me on my e-mail address for further info. | Our company is currently looking to implement a SMT production line. What I am looking for is feedback on people's experiences with various machines. | Here's what we are in the market for: | Low/Mid volume 3,000+cph machine that can handle high job flexibility | Our jobs would require that the machine has~100 8mm feeder capability, run small batches sequentially and be capable of reading barcode or labeling product. The board will be mixed technology and the most difficult part will be an SOIC. The parts will be glued and wavesoldered. The machines currently under consideration(in no particular order) are: | Philips | Quad | Mydata | Contact Systems | Universal | Any feedback will be appreciated.

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Franco Dav�

#15693

Re: SMT Pick and Place | 7 June, 1998

| Our company is currently looking to implement a SMT production line. What I am looking for is feedback on people's experiences with various machines. | Here's what we are in the market for: | Low/Mid volume 3,000+cph machine that can handle high job flexibility | Our jobs would require that the machine has~100 8mm feeder capability, run small batches sequentially and be capable of reading barcode or labeling product. The board will be mixed technology and the most difficult part will be an SOIC. The parts will be glued and wavesoldered. The machines currently under consideration(in no particular order) are: | Philips | Quad | Mydata | Contact Systems | Universal | Any feedback will be appreciated.

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RogerB

#15703

Re: SMT Pick and Place | 10 June, 1998

Were in similar situation last year and opted for the Mydata. Very satisfied ! | | Our company is currently looking to implement a SMT production line. What I am looking for is feedback on people's experiences with various machines. | | Here's what we are in the market for: | | Low/Mid volume 3,000+cph machine that can handle high job flexibility | | Our jobs would require that the machine has~100 8mm feeder capability, run small batches sequentially and be capable of reading barcode or labeling product. The board will be mixed technology and the most difficult part will be an SOIC. The parts will be glued and wavesoldered. The machines currently under consideration(in no particular order) are: | | Philips | | Quad | | Mydata | | Contact Systems | | Universal | | Any feedback will be appreciated. | You should seriously consider adding Multitroniks to your list of machines being considered. The setup is fast and intelligent, feeder capacity is on one the highest and the options you require are available. We run a high mix low volume line with a single machine and the configurability was our reason for buying Multitroniks. No machine is without some deficiencies, but this one has worked well for us. | Gary

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Rudolf Kappel

#15692

Re: SMT Pick and Place | 10 June, 1998

:I am a German regional mgr with MIMOT. Please have a look at our homemepage...mimot.com. You will find the solution you are looking for. From 112 up to 328 barcoded feeders and a fully modular head construction allows you to start up with a small system. If there is a need add more heads! Kind regards Rudolf Our company is currently looking to implement a SMT production line. What I am looking for is feedback on people's experiences with various machines. | Here's what we are in the market for: | Low/Mid volume 3,000+cph machine that can handle high job flexibility | Our jobs would require that the machine has~100 8mm feeder capability, run small batches sequentially and be capable of reading barcode or labeling product. The board will be mixed technology and the most difficult part will be an SOIC. The parts will be glued and wavesoldered. The machines currently under consideration(in no particular order) are: | Philips | Quad | Mydata | Contact Systems | Universal | Any feedback will be appreciated.

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Scott McKee

#15691

Re: SMT Pick and Place | 13 June, 1998

Last October I purchased a Mydata over a Phillips and Amistar. I've done things on my Mydata that is impossible on the other machines. I can build the top side and the bottom side of two boards at the same time (I print both sides at once). I can "chuck up" 5 boards (for example) and have them built at once, or just 2 if I wish. I can build 1"x1" or 20"x18" without tooling. I've built boards without using any feeders - I've treated short 8mm strips as trays. Who else can do that? Oh, it also can do all that you've specified in this request. My recommendation is the Mydata... Good Luck, Scott | Our company is currently looking to implement a SMT production line. What I am looking for is feedback on people's experiences with various machines. | Here's what we are in the market for: | Low/Mid volume 3,000+cph machine that can handle high job flexibility | Our jobs would require that the machine has~100 8mm feeder capability, run small batches sequentially and be capable of reading barcode or labeling product. The board will be mixed technology and the most difficult part will be an SOIC. The parts will be glued and wavesoldered. The machines currently under consideration(in no particular order) are: | Philips | Quad | Mydata | Contact Systems | Universal | Any feedback will be appreciated.

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