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SQUEEGEE ANGLE

MAURICE MCCLAIN

#15330

SQUEEGEE ANGLE | 19 June, 1998

WHAT IS THE BEST ANGLE FOR THE SQUEEGEE BLADE TO BE ANGLED AT? WE ARE USING 45 DEGREE ON OUR POLYURETHANE BLADES, AND I BELIVE WE HAVE THE OPTION OF EITHER 45 OR 60 DEGREES ON OUR METAL BLADES. WHICH OF THE TWO IS BETTER, OR SHOULD WE BE USING ANOTHER ANGLE?

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Ben Salisbury

#15337

DOE....Explained | 23 June, 1998

| Ben: Nice answer, but what's a DOE? How do you run one? What other processes do you run DOEs on? Dave F DOE=Design of Experiment Tools used for DOE...Multi-Vari Charts,components search, Pair comparisons, Variables search,Full Factorials, B vs. C and Realistic Tolerance Parallelogram(Scatter Plots)All these tools were developed by Dorian Shainin a consultant to more than eight hundred leading companies in the U.S. A text that might be very helpful in learning about DOE's is "World Class Quality- Using Design of Experiments to Make it Happen" by Keki R. Bhote. Hope that answers it for ya Dave -Ben

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Phillip Hunter

#15336

Re: SQUEEGEE ANGLE | 24 June, 1998

| WHAT IS THE BEST ANGLE FOR THE SQUEEGEE BLADE TO BE ANGLED AT? WE ARE USING 45 DEGREE ON OUR POLYURETHANE BLADES, AND I BELIVE WE HAVE THE OPTION OF EITHER 45 OR 60 DEGREES ON OUR METAL BLADES. WHICH OF THE TWO IS BETTER, OR SHOULD WE BE USING ANOTHER ANGLE? Ben, 45 degrees is the optimum angle of attack for a squeegee blade. The force exerted foreward is equal to the downward force. This promotes the "rolling" action of the paste bead. If the angle of attack is too sharp it may become difficult to shear the paste clean at the aperature. Too obtuse and the paste bead rides up onto the blade, causing inadequately filled aperatures. With so many variables to controll, why use urethane? Is your stencil stepped? How do you determin squeegee blade fitness-for-use? How do you judge if a urethane blade is dull. Is there a go/no go gauge? Blade high-centering? Do you have difficulty controlling print process squeegee pressure? Scalloping? Metal blades offer the highest degree of performance and immunity from many process variables associated with urethane. Just a thought. Feel free to call me if you wish to continue this dialog. Phillip Hunter 503 672-4388 Laughlin-Wilt Group Inc.

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Steve Gregory

#15338

Re: DOE...Explained (But that's wrong too!!) | 25 June, 1998

| | Ben: Nice answer, but what's a DOE? How do you run one? A Doe is: BAMBI's MOM!! The way you run one is to put a leash around her neck. slap her on the butt, and hang on REAL tight! HAR!! HAR!! (Sorry, couldn't help myself...GRIN) -Steve Gregory-

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Justin Medernach

#15331

Design of Experiments | 26 June, 1998

| WHAT IS THE BEST ANGLE FOR THE SQUEEGEE BLADE TO BE ANGLED AT? WE ARE USING 45 DEGREE ON OUR POLYURETHANE BLADES, AND I BELIVE WE HAVE THE OPTION OF EITHER 45 OR 60 DEGREES ON OUR METAL BLADES. WHICH OF THE TWO IS BETTER, OR SHOULD WE BE USING ANOTHER ANGLE? Hi guys, Sounds sick but I miss this stuff. I saw the explanation and feel as though you have all been cheated. I'm not trying to whack you Ben but I bet you had Shainen into your facility to put on a little seminar. A word to the wise, you cannot learn DOE in one day. I shouldn't say that. Maybe there's someone out there who can but I know that I've taken 2 semesters worth of course material at the graduate and undergrad levels and I'm still learning more about this tool every time I use it. The purpose of DOE is to avoid the full factorial experiment (they're too costly). Imagine trying to run an experiment with every combination of 16 parameters. DoE was designed to pair down the number of factorial combinations in an experimental set, then through an Analysis of Variance, you are pointed in "the right direction." DoE can help you to improve your process average or your process variability or both depending on how it's used. You would perform an average analysis to improve process average and a signal to noise analysis to improve process variability. Guess what that means, Yup. Cp and CpK has yet another purpose. Find your process capability, Cp, and also how your process is really running, CpK, and you will know whether or not you need to improve your process average or your process variability. There are several "gurus" out there who have different methods of going about DoE. Shina, Shainen, Phadke, and Taguchi are just a few. Personally, I'm fond of the Taguchi method but some say it's not statistically strong enough. I disagree for several reasons, sound performance and great results being the two most influential. My advice to you would be to pick up a book on this stuff. Once you learn how to use and manipulate the experimental matrixes you have a very powerful engineering tool in your belt. Just when you thought you were safe, it always comes back to "sadistics." Oh yeah, Ben. If you want to break out of the "no learning" rut. Look a little harder into DoE. You'll be able to learn a lot more even if your company's process is stagnant and unchanging. Best Regards, Justin Medernach

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Dave F

#15332

Re: Design of Experiments | 27 June, 1998

| | WHAT IS THE BEST ANGLE FOR THE SQUEEGEE BLADE TO BE ANGLED AT? WE ARE USING 45 DEGREE ON OUR POLYURETHANE BLADES, AND I BELIVE WE HAVE THE OPTION OF EITHER 45 OR 60 DEGREES ON OUR METAL BLADES. WHICH OF THE TWO IS BETTER, OR SHOULD WE BE USING ANOTHER ANGLE? | Hi guys, | Sounds sick but I miss this stuff. I saw the explanation and feel as though you have all been cheated. I'm not trying to whack you Ben but I bet you had Shainen into your facility to put on a little seminar. A word to the wise, you cannot learn DOE in one day. I shouldn't say that. Maybe there's someone out there who can but I know that I've taken 2 semesters worth of course material at the graduate and undergrad levels and I'm still learning more about this tool every time I use it. The purpose of DOE is to avoid the full factorial experiment (they're too costly). Imagine trying to run an experiment with every combination of 16 parameters. DoE was designed to pair down the number of factorial combinations in an experimental set, then through an Analysis of Variance, you are pointed in "the right direction." DoE can help you to improve your process average or your process variability or both depending on how it's used. You would perform an average analysis to improve process average and a signal to noise analysis to improve process variability. Guess what that means, Yup. Cp and CpK has yet another purpose. Find your process capability, Cp, and also how your process is really running, CpK, and you will know whether or not you need to improve your process average or your process variability. There are several "gurus" out there who have different methods of going about DoE. Shina, Shainen, Phadke, and Taguchi are just a few. Personally, I'm fond of the Taguchi method but some say it's not statistically strong enough. I disagree for several reasons, sound performance and great results being the two most influential. My advice to you would be to pick up a book on this stuff. Once you learn how to use and manipulate the experimental matrixes you have a very powerful engineering tool in your belt. Just when you thought you were safe, it always comes back to "sadistics." | Oh yeah, Ben. If you want to break out of the "no learning" rut. Look a little harder into DoE. You'll be able to learn a lot more even if your company's process is stagnant and unchanging. | Best Regards, | Justin Medernach So Justin, if I'm looking in the SMTNet or some other on-line book store, what book would you suggest for someone wanting to take a practicioner's approach to learning Taguchi? Dave F

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Justin Medernach

#15333

Re: Design of Experiments | 30 June, 1998

| | | WHAT IS THE BEST ANGLE FOR THE SQUEEGEE BLADE TO BE ANGLED AT? WE ARE USING 45 DEGREE ON OUR POLYURETHANE BLADES, AND I BELIVE WE HAVE THE OPTION OF EITHER 45 OR 60 DEGREES ON OUR METAL BLADES. WHICH OF THE TWO IS BETTER, OR SHOULD WE BE USING ANOTHER ANGLE? | | Hi guys, | | Sounds sick but I miss this stuff. I saw the explanation and feel as though you have all been cheated. I'm not trying to whack you Ben but I bet you had Shainen into your facility to put on a little seminar. A word to the wise, you cannot learn DOE in one day. I shouldn't say that. Maybe there's someone out there who can but I know that I've taken 2 semesters worth of course material at the graduate and undergrad levels and I'm still learning more about this tool every time I use it. The purpose of DOE is to avoid the full factorial experiment (they're too costly). Imagine trying to run an experiment with every combination of 16 parameters. DoE was designed to pair down the number of factorial combinations in an experimental set, then through an Analysis of Variance, you are pointed in "the right direction." DoE can help you to improve your process average or your process variability or both depending on how it's used. You would perform an average analysis to improve process average and a signal to noise analysis to improve process variability. Guess what that means, Yup. Cp and CpK has yet another purpose. Find your process capability, Cp, and also how your process is really running, CpK, and you will know whether or not you need to improve your process average or your process variability. There are several "gurus" out there who have different methods of going about DoE. Shina, Shainen, Phadke, and Taguchi are just a few. Personally, I'm fond of the Taguchi method but some say it's not statistically strong enough. I disagree for several reasons, sound performance and great results being the two most influential. My advice to you would be to pick up a book on this stuff. Once you learn how to use and manipulate the experimental matrixes you have a very powerful engineering tool in your belt. Just when you thought you were safe, it always comes back to "sadistics." | | Oh yeah, Ben. If you want to break out of the "no learning" rut. Look a little harder into DoE. You'll be able to learn a lot more even if your company's process is stagnant and unchanging. | | Best Regards, | | Justin Medernach | So Justin, if I'm looking in the SMTNet or some other on-line book store, what book would you suggest for someone wanting to take a practicioner's approach to learning Taguchi? Dave F Dave, I looked on the SMTnet and found nothing on Taguchi DoE. I am not familiar with books on Taguchi method as I learned it in class. I have a number for a gentleman that can help you out. His name is Prof. Sam Shina of the University of Lowell. He sits on the NEPCON board of advisors and I was lucky enough to have him for a few courses in college. We've remained friends over the years and I'm sure he'll help you. His number is 978 934 2590 at the university. Give him a buzz. He'll probably try to sell you on a consulting gig. It's a great seminar but i'm not one for plugging people. regards, Justin Medernach

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justin

#15334

Amazon.com | 30 June, 1998

| | | | WHAT IS THE BEST ANGLE FOR THE SQUEEGEE BLADE TO BE ANGLED AT? WE ARE USING 45 DEGREE ON OUR POLYURETHANE BLADES, AND I BELIVE WE HAVE THE OPTION OF EITHER 45 OR 60 DEGREES ON OUR METAL BLADES. WHICH OF THE TWO IS BETTER, OR SHOULD WE BE USING ANOTHER ANGLE? | | | Hi guys, | | | Sounds sick but I miss this stuff. I saw the explanation and feel as though you have all been cheated. I'm not trying to whack you Ben but I bet you had Shainen into your facility to put on a little seminar. A word to the wise, you cannot learn DOE in one day. I shouldn't say that. Maybe there's someone out there who can but I know that I've taken 2 semesters worth of course material at the graduate and undergrad levels and I'm still learning more about this tool every time I use it. The purpose of DOE is to avoid the full factorial experiment (they're too costly). Imagine trying to run an experiment with every combination of 16 parameters. DoE was designed to pair down the number of factorial combinations in an experimental set, then through an Analysis of Variance, you are pointed in "the right direction." DoE can help you to improve your process average or your process variability or both depending on how it's used. You would perform an average analysis to improve process average and a signal to noise analysis to improve process variability. Guess what that means, Yup. Cp and CpK has yet another purpose. Find your process capability, Cp, and also how your process is really running, CpK, and you will know whether or not you need to improve your process average or your process variability. There are several "gurus" out there who have different methods of going about DoE. Shina, Shainen, Phadke, and Taguchi are just a few. Personally, I'm fond of the Taguchi method but some say it's not statistically strong enough. I disagree for several reasons, sound performance and great results being the two most influential. My advice to you would be to pick up a book on this stuff. Once you learn how to use and manipulate the experimental matrixes you have a very powerful engineering tool in your belt. Just when you thought you were safe, it always comes back to "sadistics." | | | Oh yeah, Ben. If you want to break out of the "no learning" rut. Look a little harder into DoE. You'll be able to learn a lot more even if your company's process is stagnant and unchanging. | | | Best Regards, | | | Justin Medernach | | So Justin, if I'm looking in the SMTNet or some other on-line book store, what book would you suggest for someone wanting to take a practicioner's approach to learning Taguchi? Dave F | Dave, | I looked on the SMTnet and found nothing on Taguchi DoE. I am not familiar with books on Taguchi method as I learned it in class. I have a number for a gentleman that can help you out. His name is Prof. Sam Shina of the University of Lowell. He sits on the NEPCON board of advisors and I was lucky enough to have him for a few courses in college. We've remained friends over the years and I'm sure he'll help you. His number is 978 934 2590 at the university. Give him a buzz. He'll probably try to sell you on a consulting gig. It's a great seminar but i'm not one for plugging people. | regards, | Justin Medernach Dave, Check out Amazon.com and type in "taguchi" under the subject search. You'll find all the info you need. Justin

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Dave F

#15335

Another Suggestion On DoE | 3 July, 1998

| | | | | WHAT IS THE BEST ANGLE FOR THE SQUEEGEE BLADE TO BE ANGLED AT? WE ARE USING 45 DEGREE ON OUR POLYURETHANE BLADES, AND I BELIVE WE HAVE THE OPTION OF EITHER 45 OR 60 DEGREES ON OUR METAL BLADES. WHICH OF THE TWO IS BETTER, OR SHOULD WE BE USING ANOTHER ANGLE? | | | | Hi guys, | | | | Sounds sick but I miss this stuff. I saw the explanation and feel as though you have all been cheated. I'm not trying to whack you Ben but I bet you had Shainen into your facility to put on a little seminar. A word to the wise, you cannot learn DOE in one day. I shouldn't say that. Maybe there's someone out there who can but I know that I've taken 2 semesters worth of course material at the graduate and undergrad levels and I'm still learning more about this tool every time I use it. The purpose of DOE is to avoid the full factorial experiment (they're too costly). Imagine trying to run an experiment with every combination of 16 parameters. DoE was designed to pair down the number of factorial combinations in an experimental set, then through an Analysis of Variance, you are pointed in "the right direction." DoE can help you to improve your process average or your process variability or both depending on how it's used. You would perform an average analysis to improve process average and a signal to noise analysis to improve process variability. Guess what that means, Yup. Cp and CpK has yet another purpose. Find your process capability, Cp, and also how your process is really running, CpK, and you will know whether or not you need to improve your process average or your process variability. There are several "gurus" out there who have different methods of going about DoE. Shina, Shainen, Phadke, and Taguchi are just a few. Personally, I'm fond of the Taguchi method but some say it's not statistically strong enough. I disagree for several reasons, sound performance and great results being the two most influential. My advice to you would be to pick up a book on this stuff. Once you learn how to use and manipulate the experimental matrixes you have a very powerful engineering tool in your belt. Just when you thought you were safe, it always comes back to "sadistics." | | | | Oh yeah, Ben. If you want to break out of the "no learning" rut. Look a little harder into DoE. You'll be able to learn a lot more even if your company's process is stagnant and unchanging. | | | | Best Regards, | | | | Justin Medernach | | | So Justin, if I'm looking in the SMTNet or some other on-line book store, what book would you suggest for someone wanting to take a practicioner's approach to learning Taguchi? Dave F | | Dave, | | I looked on the SMTnet and found nothing on Taguchi DoE. I am not familiar with books on Taguchi method as I learned it in class. I have a number for a gentleman that can help you out. His name is Prof. Sam Shina of the University of Lowell. He sits on the NEPCON board of advisors and I was lucky enough to have him for a few courses in college. We've remained friends over the years and I'm sure he'll help you. His number is 978 934 2590 at the university. Give him a buzz. He'll probably try to sell you on a consulting gig. It's a great seminar but i'm not one for plugging people. | | regards, | | Justin Medernach | Dave, | Check out Amazon.com and type in "taguchi" under the subject search. You'll find all the info you need. | Justin Justin: Thanks. Chrys also recommended Prof Shima to me. I found one of those "quickie" discussions on DoE at the Reliability Analysis Center (link below) that recommends several Taguchi books. I have the one written by Ross. It's a dust collector. I just don't have the time to wade through all of his "stuff" to try to figure-out what he's talking about. Dave F

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