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IP1 for Placement of BGA's?

#11292

IP1 for Placement of BGA's? | 29 May, 1999

Is it possible to place parts that do not have leadframes exposed when looking from the top side of the part such as BGA's using a Fuji IP1 with a SMD1 vision (Binary) system. I realize that the IP1 does not have front lighting but according to a Fuji SMT report I have, an IP1 can place components like SOJ's and PLCC's which would normally be front lighted on machines which have this capability.

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#11293

Re: IP1 for Placement of BGA's? | 29 May, 1999

| Is it possible to place parts that do not have leadframes exposed when looking from the top side of the part such as BGA's using a Fuji IP1 with a SMD1 vision (Binary) system. I realize that the IP1 does not have front lighting but according to a Fuji SMT report I have, an IP1 can place components like SOJ's and PLCC's which would normally be front lighted on machines which have this capability. | Well See here's the thing, with SOJ's and PLCC's there is still a little profile of a leg sticking out the machine uses for recocnition. With BGA's you can place them but only by using the profile of the part. So as long as the balls are centered on the part consistently (and they usually are) you can place them. The problem is getting the BGA to the front of the machine from the tray. If the BGA if a Parimeter Ball format then its no problem. But if the balls are full array, you will have problems with the carrier (vacuum cup will not seal on the balls). But there are ways around that too.

MDCox

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Earl Moon

#11294

Re: IP1 for Placement of BGA's? | 29 May, 1999

| | Is it possible to place parts that do not have leadframes exposed when looking from the top side of the part such as BGA's using a Fuji IP1 with a SMD1 vision (Binary) system. I realize that the IP1 does not have front lighting but according to a Fuji SMT report I have, an IP1 can place components like SOJ's and PLCC's which would normally be front lighted on machines which have this capability. | | | Well See here's the thing, with SOJ's and PLCC's there is still a little profile of a leg sticking out the machine uses for recocnition. With BGA's you can place them but only by using the profile of the part. So as long as the balls are centered on the part consistently (and they usually are) you can place them. The problem is getting the BGA to the front of the machine from the tray. If the BGA if a Parimeter Ball format then its no problem. But if the balls are full array, you will have problems with the carrier (vacuum cup will not seal on the balls). But there are ways around that too. | | MDCox | | Don't know about IP1's, being fittable, but our getting old fast IP3's are fitted with lizzard tongues for full array parts. As MD said, the perimiter "super BGA's" work with little problem, but ceramic type devices present problems with part edge irregularity - something like my sex life currently. Oh well, I do have my IP's to rely on.

Moonman

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#11295

Re: IP1 for Placement of BGA's? | 30 May, 1999

| | | Is it possible to place parts that do not have leadframes exposed when looking from the top side of the part such as BGA's using a Fuji IP1 with a SMD1 vision (Binary) system. I realize that the IP1 does not have front lighting but according to a Fuji SMT report I have, an IP1 can place components like SOJ's and PLCC's which would normally be front lighted on machines which have this capability. | | | | | Well See here's the thing, with SOJ's and PLCC's there is still a little profile of a leg sticking out the machine uses for recocnition. With BGA's you can place them but only by using the profile of the part. So as long as the balls are centered on the part consistently (and they usually are) you can place them. The problem is getting the BGA to the front of the machine from the tray. If the BGA if a Parimeter Ball format then its no problem. But if the balls are full array, you will have problems with the carrier (vacuum cup will not seal on the balls). But there are ways around that too. | | | | MDCox | | | | | Don't know about IP1's, being fittable, but our getting old fast IP3's are fitted with lizzard tongues for full array parts. As MD said, the perimiter "super BGA's" work with little problem, but ceramic type devices present problems with part edge irregularity - something like my sex life currently. Oh well, I do have my IP's to rely on. | | Moonman | Once upon a time in a factory far far away at a HP plant in Boise Idaho the Knights had refitted IP2's with there own version of a lizard tongue. Could be done on an IP1 I suspect. The HP plant was here in Boise. But alas the kingdom has been taken over by the Jabil nights, If you contact them they might share their knightly secrets. But as you now an IP2 also only has lighting from the heavens (Top down), thus BGA placement is possible forthwith.

MD COX

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Earl Moon

#11296

Re: IP1 for Placement of BGA's? | 30 May, 1999

| | | | Is it possible to place parts that do not have leadframes exposed when looking from the top side of the part such as BGA's using a Fuji IP1 with a SMD1 vision (Binary) system. I realize that the IP1 does not have front lighting but according to a Fuji SMT report I have, an IP1 can place components like SOJ's and PLCC's which would normally be front lighted on machines which have this capability. | | | | | | | Well See here's the thing, with SOJ's and PLCC's there is still a little profile of a leg sticking out the machine uses for recocnition. With BGA's you can place them but only by using the profile of the part. So as long as the balls are centered on the part consistently (and they usually are) you can place them. The problem is getting the BGA to the front of the machine from the tray. If the BGA if a Parimeter Ball format then its no problem. But if the balls are full array, you will have problems with the carrier (vacuum cup will not seal on the balls). But there are ways around that too. | | | | | | MDCox | | | | | | | | Don't know about IP1's, being fittable, but our getting old fast IP3's are fitted with lizzard tongues for full array parts. As MD said, the perimiter "super BGA's" work with little problem, but ceramic type devices present problems with part edge irregularity - something like my sex life currently. Oh well, I do have my IP's to rely on. | | | | Moonman | | | Once upon a time in a factory far far away at a HP plant in Boise Idaho the Knights had refitted IP2's with there own version of a lizard tongue. Could be done on an IP1 I suspect. The HP plant was here in Boise. But alas the kingdom has been taken over by the Jabil nights, If you contact them they might share their knightly secrets. But as you now an IP2 also only has lighting from the heavens (Top down), thus BGA placement is possible forthwith. | | MD COX | | So MD,

You're one of the serfs to the Jabil kingdom now, or did you remain true to the HP lords? We in Spokane are of no name, but continue to owe some allegiance to your mighty lordship should you be so called truly HP. If not, don't give up the palace. Seek refuge where I goest next. I'm out of here next week.

So long HP, and all it once was, and all you great visionaries giving up that which spawned you. Farewell to any more signs posted along a path wrought with contract manufacturing save Spokane - who cannot die because no one else would do thy work.

Say hello, and goodbye, to those Joe Brooks and Bill Peleu (never could spell his name - but he's too short to matter). Say goodbye, and hello, to new pastures green in which I shall watch and wonder at sheep tupping, and consider my fait forthwith and beyond while hoping no tongues lizard seek me or mine.

Boogie,

Moonman

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#11297

Re: IP1 for Placement of BGA's? | 30 May, 1999

| | | | | Is it possible to place parts that do not have leadframes exposed when looking from the top side of the part such as BGA's using a Fuji IP1 with a SMD1 vision (Binary) system. I realize that the IP1 does not have front lighting but according to a Fuji SMT report I have, an IP1 can place components like SOJ's and PLCC's which would normally be front lighted on machines which have this capability. | | | | | | | | | Well See here's the thing, with SOJ's and PLCC's there is still a little profile of a leg sticking out the machine uses for recocnition. With BGA's you can place them but only by using the profile of the part. So as long as the balls are centered on the part consistently (and they usually are) you can place them. The problem is getting the BGA to the front of the machine from the tray. If the BGA if a Parimeter Ball format then its no problem. But if the balls are full array, you will have problems with the carrier (vacuum cup will not seal on the balls). But there are ways around that too. | | | | | | | | MDCox | | | | | | | | | | | Don't know about IP1's, being fittable, but our getting old fast IP3's are fitted with lizzard tongues for full array parts. As MD said, the perimiter "super BGA's" work with little problem, but ceramic type devices present problems with part edge irregularity - something like my sex life currently. Oh well, I do have my IP's to rely on. | | | | | | Moonman | | | | | Once upon a time in a factory far far away at a HP plant in Boise Idaho the Knights had refitted IP2's with there own version of a lizard tongue. Could be done on an IP1 I suspect. The HP plant was here in Boise. But alas the kingdom has been taken over by the Jabil nights, If you contact them they might share their knightly secrets. But as you now an IP2 also only has lighting from the heavens (Top down), thus BGA placement is possible forthwith. | | | | MD COX | | | | | So MD, | | You're one of the serfs to the Jabil kingdom now, or did you remain true to the HP lords? We in Spokane are of no name, but continue to owe some allegiance to your mighty lordship should you be so called truly HP. If not, don't give up the palace. Seek refuge where I goest next. I'm out of here next week. | | So long HP, and all it once was, and all you great visionaries giving up that which spawned you. Farewell to any more signs posted along a path wrought with contract manufacturing save Spokane - who cannot die because no one else would do thy work. | | Say hello, and goodbye, to those Joe Brooks and Bill Peleu (never could spell his name - but he's too short to matter). Say goodbye, and hello, to new pastures green in which I shall watch and wonder at sheep tupping, and consider my fait forthwith and beyond while hoping no tongues lizard seek me or mine. | | Boogie, | | Moonman | Ahhh Moonman

Alas I swear no alliance to Jabil or HP, For a royal Cox they had no real need, I am but a servant indentured for free.

But for a day, a day that's so long, I build HP boards, as if only for fun, For the boards come to us, So flimsy and free, As if they could sway from the slightest of breeze.

MD

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Earl Moon

#11298

Re: IP1 for Placement of BGA's? | 30 May, 1999

| | | | | | Is it possible to place parts that do not have leadframes exposed when looking from the top side of the part such as BGA's using a Fuji IP1 with a SMD1 vision (Binary) system. I realize that the IP1 does not have front lighting but according to a Fuji SMT report I have, an IP1 can place components like SOJ's and PLCC's which would normally be front lighted on machines which have this capability. | | | | | | | | | | | Well See here's the thing, with SOJ's and PLCC's there is still a little profile of a leg sticking out the machine uses for recocnition. With BGA's you can place them but only by using the profile of the part. So as long as the balls are centered on the part consistently (and they usually are) you can place them. The problem is getting the BGA to the front of the machine from the tray. If the BGA if a Parimeter Ball format then its no problem. But if the balls are full array, you will have problems with the carrier (vacuum cup will not seal on the balls). But there are ways around that too. | | | | | | | | | | MDCox | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Don't know about IP1's, being fittable, but our getting old fast IP3's are fitted with lizzard tongues for full array parts. As MD said, the perimiter "super BGA's" work with little problem, but ceramic type devices present problems with part edge irregularity - something like my sex life currently. Oh well, I do have my IP's to rely on. | | | | | | | | Moonman | | | | | | | Once upon a time in a factory far far away at a HP plant in Boise Idaho the Knights had refitted IP2's with there own version of a lizard tongue. Could be done on an IP1 I suspect. The HP plant was here in Boise. But alas the kingdom has been taken over by the Jabil nights, If you contact them they might share their knightly secrets. But as you now an IP2 also only has lighting from the heavens (Top down), thus BGA placement is possible forthwith. | | | | | | MD COX | | | | | | | | So MD, | | | | You're one of the serfs to the Jabil kingdom now, or did you remain true to the HP lords? We in Spokane are of no name, but continue to owe some allegiance to your mighty lordship should you be so called truly HP. If not, don't give up the palace. Seek refuge where I goest next. I'm out of here next week. | | | | So long HP, and all it once was, and all you great visionaries giving up that which spawned you. Farewell to any more signs posted along a path wrought with contract manufacturing save Spokane - who cannot die because no one else would do thy work. | | | | Say hello, and goodbye, to those Joe Brooks and Bill Peleu (never could spell his name - but he's too short to matter). Say goodbye, and hello, to new pastures green in which I shall watch and wonder at sheep tupping, and consider my fait forthwith and beyond while hoping no tongues lizard seek me or mine. | | | | Boogie, | | | | Moonman | | | Ahhh Moonman | | Alas I swear no alliance to Jabil or HP, | For a royal Cox they had no real need, | I am but a servant indentured for free. | | But for a day, a day that's so long, | I build HP boards, as if only for fun, | For the boards come to us, So flimsy and free, | As if they could sway from the slightest of breeze. | | MD | | MD,

Who in this world, would he/she could Build HP boards, classes one thru nine At a profit not ye would Stay in business as would I mine

How does one do it pray tell Except in a world so low If that world be hell Then let your choice be so.

If it be above ground How did the message not get out For such discovery be around And little it should be about

Talk to me MD, or not I am but one so inclined to profit Could it be you're so hot All others 'ner benefit

Boogie, boogie

Moonman

For all else interested, HP boards, most of which Are not persisted Except those wanting a bitch

In reality, there is profit in that willing to attempt...

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