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Jason Birch

#10491

Stencil screen cleaners | 22 July, 1999

Does anyone have any experiences with EMC stencil screen cleaners or can you recommend a good one?

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#10492

Re: Stencil screen cleaners | 22 July, 1999

Dear Jason, Smart Sonic has over 500 stencil cleaners in operation around the world. The Smart Sonic Stencil Cleaning Process is the only cleaning process that is Certified Environmentally Safe by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and verified by the EPA to be effective and user safe.

The process is money-back guaranteed to clean any type of solder paste from any fine-pitch stencil.

Please visit our Web Site for additional information: www.smartsonic.com

Or, call me toll free to discuss your application 1(888)499-7440 Best regards, Bill Schreiber

| Does anyone have any experiences with EMC stencil screen cleaners or can you recommend a good one? |

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#10493

Re: Stencil screen cleaners | 22 July, 1999

Stencil cleaner manufacturers that (in our opinion) build quality machines:

Aqueous Technologies (800) 218-8128 (that's us)

Branson (203) 796-0400

EMC (215) 340-0650

Austin American (512) 335-6400

Questions??? Call me at (800) 218-8128 and I'll give you more information.

Good Luck,

Mike Konrad

| Does anyone have any experiences with EMC stencil screen cleaners or can you recommend a good one? |

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Earl Moon

#10494

Re: Stencil screen cleaners | 23 July, 1999

| Dear Jason, | Smart Sonic has over 500 stencil cleaners in operation around the world. The Smart Sonic Stencil Cleaning Process is the only cleaning process that is Certified Environmentally Safe by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and verified by the EPA to be effective and user safe. | | The process is money-back guaranteed to clean any type of solder paste from any fine-pitch stencil. | | Please visit our Web Site for additional information: | www.smartsonic.com | | Or, call me toll free to discuss your application 1(888)499-7440 | Best regards, | Bill Schreiber | | | Does anyone have any experiences with EMC stencil screen cleaners or can you recommend a good one? | | | I'm a SmartSonic fan and user. My only complaint is that the system often is too good. It not only cleans the stencil of all paste residue, but removes the aperture/circle fiducial epoxy from its residency leaving us to use black markers to ensure fids recognizable. I need another way to make the fids permanently impervious to SmartSonic capabilities. Any suggestions as oxide, nitride, or?

Earl Moon

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#10495

Re: Epoxy fiducials | 23 July, 1999

Dear Earl, At Smart Sonic, we have seen fiducial deterioration as a result of the epoxy not being water-safe. Unfortunately, many stencil manufacturers believe their customers are still cleaning with solvents and therefore use an epoxy that is solvent-safe.

Give me the name of your stencil manufacturer so I can work with him on this issue.

Best regards, Bill Schreiber Smart Sonic Corporation Toll free: 1(888) 499-7440 Fax: 1(805)375-5781 E-mail: bill@smartsonic.com

| | Dear Jason, | | Smart Sonic has over 500 stencil cleaners in operation around the world. The Smart Sonic Stencil Cleaning Process is the only cleaning process that is Certified Environmentally Safe by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and verified by the EPA to be effective and user safe. | | | | The process is money-back guaranteed to clean any type of solder paste from any fine-pitch stencil. | | | | Please visit our Web Site for additional information: | | www.smartsonic.com | | | | Or, call me toll free to discuss your application 1(888)499-7440 | | Best regards, | | Bill Schreiber | | | | | Does anyone have any experiences with EMC stencil screen cleaners or can you recommend a good one? | | | | | | I'm a SmartSonic fan and user. My only complaint is that the system often is too good. It not only cleans the stencil of all paste residue, but removes the aperture/circle fiducial epoxy from its residency leaving us to use black markers to ensure fids recognizable. I need another way to make the fids permanently impervious to SmartSonic capabilities. Any suggestions as oxide, nitride, or? | | Earl Moon | |

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C.K.

#10496

Re: Stencil screen cleaners | 23 July, 1999

| Does anyone have any experiences with EMC stencil screen cleaners or can you recommend a good one? |

SMarTsonic makes an excellent cleaner. As Bill states, it uses ultrasonics and an EPA approved detergent to wash stencils and boards.

However, I personally do not like the Evaporator option. It's very maintenance-intensive, and I've struggled and struggled with getting our SMT techs. to maintain the darn thing.

Others may like it, though.

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C.K.

#10497

Re: Stencil screen cleaners | 23 July, 1999

| Does anyone have any experiences with EMC stencil screen cleaners or can you recommend a good one? |

SMarTsonic makes an excellent cleaner. As Bill states, it uses ultrasonics and an EPA approved detergent to wash stencils and boards.

However, I personally do not like the Evaporator option. It's very maintenance-intensive,and very dependent on a consistent exhaust flow to make sure that the waste doesn't "spew out" of it.

Others may like it, though.

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#10498

Re: Stencil screen cleaners | 23 July, 1999

Dear C.K. I agree. The older style "generic" evaporators are cumbersome. However, you should checkout the new Model EZ-0 Wastewater Evaporator. It is made by Smart Sonic specifically for the SMT industry and addresses all of the maintenance related issues common to standard evaporators. It is on the Smart Sonic web site (www.smartsonic.com) under the "News" button. The EZ-0 stands for "easy maintenance / zero discharge". Best regards, Bill Does anyone have any experiences with EMC stencil screen cleaners or can you recommend a good one? | | | | SMarTsonic makes an excellent cleaner. As Bill states, it uses ultrasonics and an EPA approved detergent to wash stencils and boards. | | However, I personally do not like the Evaporator option. It's very maintenance-intensive, and I've struggled and struggled with getting our SMT techs. to maintain the darn thing. | | Others may like it, though. |

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Rob Fischer

#10499

Forum Sales | 26 July, 1999

I'm interested in hearing how many forum fans are interested in blatant advertising in the forum pages. At least Mike listed everyone instead of tooting his own horn. Some vendors support sites like these by buying banners and such. How effective are ultrasonics on spam? I encourage you to call all the sites on Mike's list and make your own best decision. Good luck. | Dear Earl, | At Smart Sonic, we have seen fiducial deterioration as a result of the epoxy not being water-safe. Unfortunately, many stencil manufacturers believe their customers are still cleaning with solvents and therefore use an epoxy that is solvent-safe. | | Give me the name of your stencil manufacturer so I can work with him on this issue. | | Best regards, | Bill Schreiber | Smart Sonic Corporation | Toll free: 1(888) 499-7440 | Fax: 1(805)375-5781 | E-mail: bill@smartsonic.com | | | | | Dear Jason, | | | Smart Sonic has over 500 stencil cleaners in operation around the world. The Smart Sonic Stencil Cleaning Process is the only cleaning process that is Certified Environmentally Safe by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and verified by the EPA to be effective and user safe. | | | | | | The process is money-back guaranteed to clean any type of solder paste from any fine-pitch stencil. | | | | | | Please visit our Web Site for additional information: | | | www.smartsonic.com | | | | | | Or, call me toll free to discuss your application 1(888)499-7440 | | | Best regards, | | | Bill Schreiber | | | | | | | Does anyone have any experiences with EMC stencil screen cleaners or can you recommend a good one? | | | | | | | | | I'm a SmartSonic fan and user. My only complaint is that the system often is too good. It not only cleans the stencil of all paste residue, but removes the aperture/circle fiducial epoxy from its residency leaving us to use black markers to ensure fids recognizable. I need another way to make the fids permanently impervious to SmartSonic capabilities. Any suggestions as oxide, nitride, or? | | | | Earl Moon | | | | | |

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Boca

#10500

Re: Forum Sales | 26 July, 1999

| I'm interested in hearing how many forum fans are interested in blatant advertising in the forum pages. At least Mike listed everyone instead of tooting his own horn. Some vendors support sites like these by buying banners and such. How effective are ultrasonics on spam? I encourage you to call all the sites on Mike's list and make your own best decision. Good luck. | | Dear Earl, | | At Smart Sonic, we have seen fiducial deterioration as a result of the epoxy not being water-safe. Unfortunately, many stencil manufacturers believe their customers are still cleaning with solvents and therefore use an epoxy that is solvent-safe. | | | | Give me the name of your stencil manufacturer so I can work with him on this issue. | | | | Best regards, | | Bill Schreiber | | Smart Sonic Corporation | | Toll free: 1(888) 499-7440 | | Fax: 1(805)375-5781 | | E-mail: bill@smartsonic.com | | | | | | | | Dear Jason, | | | | Smart Sonic has over 500 stencil cleaners in operation around the world. The Smart Sonic Stencil Cleaning Process is the only cleaning process that is Certified Environmentally Safe by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and verified by the EPA to be effective and user safe. | | | | | | | | The process is money-back guaranteed to clean any type of solder paste from any fine-pitch stencil. | | | | | | | | Please visit our Web Site for additional information: | | | | www.smartsonic.com | | | | | | | | Or, call me toll free to discuss your application 1(888)499-7440 | | | | Best regards, | | | | Bill Schreiber | | | | | | | | | Does anyone have any experiences with EMC stencil screen cleaners or can you recommend a good one? | | | | | | | | | | | | I'm a SmartSonic fan and user. My only complaint is that the system often is too good. It not only cleans the stencil of all paste residue, but removes the aperture/circle fiducial epoxy from its residency leaving us to use black markers to ensure fids recognizable. I need another way to make the fids permanently impervious to SmartSonic capabilities. Any suggestions as oxide, nitride, or? | | | | | | Earl Moon | | | | | | | | | | | | You asked for opinions on "blatent advertising" ....

If a vendor can honestly contribute to a technical issue, without too much hype, I think giving their contact info is fine. I am often interested in equipment associated with a particular solution. I may want to follow up with the individual. We are after the best solutions to the problems which confront us, right?

However, restrant not being a strong suit of most sales / reps, it is easy for them to cross 'the line' and become another commercial stuffed into a technical form.

IMHO

Boca

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Rob Fischer

#10501

Re: Forum Sales | 26 July, 1999

| | I'm interested in hearing how many forum fans are interested in blatant advertising in the forum pages. At least Mike listed everyone instead of tooting his own horn. Some vendors support sites like these by buying banners and such. How effective are ultrasonics on spam? I encourage you to call all the sites on Mike's list and make your own best decision. Good luck. | | | Dear Earl, | | | At Smart Sonic, we have seen fiducial deterioration as a result of the epoxy not being water-safe. Unfortunately, many stencil manufacturers believe their customers are still cleaning with solvents and therefore use an epoxy that is solvent-safe. | | | | | | Give me the name of your stencil manufacturer so I can work with him on this issue. | | | | | | Best regards, | | | Bill Schreiber | | | Smart Sonic Corporation | | | Toll free: 1(888) 499-7440 | | | Fax: 1(805)375-5781 | | | E-mail: bill@smartsonic.com | | | | | | | | | | | Dear Jason, | | | | | Smart Sonic has over 500 stencil cleaners in operation around the world. The Smart Sonic Stencil Cleaning Process is the only cleaning process that is Certified Environmentally Safe by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and verified by the EPA to be effective and user safe. | | | | | | | | | | The process is money-back guaranteed to clean any type of solder paste from any fine-pitch stencil. | | | | | | | | | | Please visit our Web Site for additional information: | | | | | www.smartsonic.com | | | | | | | | | | Or, call me toll free to discuss your application 1(888)499-7440 | | | | | Best regards, | | | | | Bill Schreiber | | | | | | | | | | | Does anyone have any experiences with EMC stencil screen cleaners or can you recommend a good one? | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | I'm a SmartSonic fan and user. My only complaint is that the system often is too good. It not only cleans the stencil of all paste residue, but removes the aperture/circle fiducial epoxy from its residency leaving us to use black markers to ensure fids recognizable. I need another way to make the fids permanently impervious to SmartSonic capabilities. Any suggestions as oxide, nitride, or? | | | | | | | | Earl Moon | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | You asked for opinions on "blatent advertising" .... | | If a vendor can honestly contribute to a technical issue, without too much hype, I think giving their contact info is fine. I am often interested in equipment associated with a particular solution. I may want to follow up with the individual. We are after the best solutions to the problems which confront us, right? | | However, restrant not being a strong suit of most sales / reps, it is easy for them to cross 'the line' and become another commercial stuffed into a technical form. | | IMHO | | Boca | Thank you Boca. I appreciate your response and agree with it completely. While I am a supplier to the electronics industry I view the forum as a place to learn and to contribute new ideas and to help others learn from my own mistakes and experiences. I've visited quite a few of this sort of forum but consider this site to be the leader. I often read and learn from the site and shake my head at some of the vendor responses. Mike has offered a great response and while I'm in direct competition I feel his approach is the best vendor response short of a technical paper on-line. I'd love to hear some more responses. C'mon Moonman...

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#10502

Re: Forum Sales | 26 July, 1999

Just go look at the thread on stencil cleaners started by Scott Davies in the March 1-15, 1999 achives if you want to see some juicy stuff...then make your mind up about vendor inputs. Pretty obvious if you ask me...

-Steve Gregory-

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Boca

#10503

Re: Forum Sales | 27 July, 1999

| Just go look at the thread on stencil cleaners started by Scott Davies in the March 1-15, 1999 achives if you want to see some juicy stuff...then make your mind up about vendor inputs. Pretty obvious if you ask me... | | -Steve Gregory- | | Hadn't seen that one, pretty entertaining. I guess you just can't take some kids anywhere!

Boca

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#10504

Re: Forum Sales | 27 July, 1999

| | Just go look at the thread on stencil cleaners started by Scott Davies in the March 1-15, 1999 achives if you want to see some juicy stuff...then make your mind up about vendor inputs. Pretty obvious if you ask me... | | | | -Steve Gregory- | | | | | Hadn't seen that one, pretty entertaining. I guess you just can't take some kids anywhere! | | Boca | For every pair of mud wrestlers, we have many people that respond so that you can barely catch their reference to a product, unless you know the person's name and can associate it with their company.

To this point we have:

* Rejected unsolicited advertising as inapproprate. * Accepted solicited advertising.

We can decide that:

* Solicited advertising is OK. * We want less solicited advertising. (And be consistant in enforcing it.) For instance, Bob doesn't his graphics thing, although he does participate less. * Figure-out where the "back button" is located on our brouser.

My2�

Dave F

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Earl Moon

#10505

Re: Epoxy fiducials | 27 July, 1999

| Dear Earl, | At Smart Sonic, we have seen fiducial deterioration as a result of the epoxy not being water-safe. Unfortunately, many stencil manufacturers believe their customers are still cleaning with solvents and therefore use an epoxy that is solvent-safe. | | Give me the name of your stencil manufacturer so I can work with him on this issue. | | Best regards, | Bill Schreiber | Smart Sonic Corporation | Toll free: 1(888) 499-7440 | Fax: 1(805)375-5781 | E-mail: bill@smartsonic.com | | | | | Dear Jason, | | | Smart Sonic has over 500 stencil cleaners in operation around the world. The Smart Sonic Stencil Cleaning Process is the only cleaning process that is Certified Environmentally Safe by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and verified by the EPA to be effective and user safe. | | | | | | The process is money-back guaranteed to clean any type of solder paste from any fine-pitch stencil. | | | | | | Please visit our Web Site for additional information: | | | www.smartsonic.com | | | | | | Or, call me toll free to discuss your application 1(888)499-7440 | | | Best regards, | | | Bill Schreiber | | | | | | | Does anyone have any experiences with EMC stencil screen cleaners or can you recommend a good one? | | | | | | | | | I'm a SmartSonic fan and user. My only complaint is that the system often is too good. It not only cleans the stencil of all paste residue, but removes the aperture/circle fiducial epoxy from its residency leaving us to use black markers to ensure fids recognizable. I need another way to make the fids permanently impervious to SmartSonic capabilities. Any suggestions as oxide, nitride, or? | | | | Earl Moon | | | | | | Bill,

Thank's for the willingness to help in such a dangerous environment. I'll talk with you soon.

Earl Moon

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Rob Fischer

#10506

Re: Forum Sales | 28 July, 1999

| | | Just go look at the thread on stencil cleaners started by Scott Davies in the March 1-15, 1999 achives if you want to see some juicy stuff...then make your mind up about vendor inputs. Pretty obvious if you ask me... | | | | | | -Steve Gregory- | | | | | | | | Hadn't seen that one, pretty entertaining. I guess you just can't take some kids anywhere! | | | | Boca | | | For every pair of mud wrestlers, we have many people that respond so that you can barely catch their reference to a product, unless you know the person's name and can associate it with their company. | | To this point we have: | | * Rejected unsolicited advertising as inapproprate. | * Accepted solicited advertising. | | We can decide that: | | * Solicited advertising is OK. | * We want less solicited advertising. (And be consistant in enforcing it.) For instance, Bob doesn't his graphics thing, although he does participate less. | * Figure-out where the "back button" is located on our brouser. | | My2� | | Dave F | Thanks for the responses. I will continue to look to SMTNet to expand my knowledge and contribute as I can. And for the occasional chuckle...

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