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KYUNG SAM PARK

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HOW TO PROGRAM FOR MOUNTER | 7 September, 1999

Would you let me know how to program a mounter out there. Do you adopt an in -line program or an off-line program. Do you use network system to transmit data to the machine. What percentage can you complete a program at off-line for mounter. and what procedure you have got for programming when you received caddata. I know the time for programming is variety as b'd varies. I want to know any company which has got so many models,parts changeover. We are in difficulty to control data and to program.

I want your big help. Thanks in advance ...

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#9761

Re: HOW TO PROGRAM FOR MOUNTER | 7 September, 1999

| Would you let me know how to program a mounter out there. | Do you adopt an in -line program or an off-line program. | Do you use network system to transmit data to the machine. | What percentage can you complete a program at off-line for mounter. | and what procedure you have got for programming when you received caddata. | I know the time for programming is variety as b'd varies. | I want to know any company which has got so many models,parts | changeover. We are in difficulty to control data and to program. | | I want your big help. | Thanks in advance ... | | There are so many ways doing something and each site looks different. So for programming offline does have its advantages, you don�t get in conflict with produktion. But you need to know your equipment, which part on which machine, which head, feeder, mounting angle, offsets etc. that�s what you have to consider or your tool you use. Haven�t seen machines that doesn�t offer somekind of offline feature even if it�s the standard serial interface. So doing the work offline is possible and IMO the best choice. There are different softwaretools available I think but which one is the best depends on your equipment. What I did was getting a database for my equipment (part-machine, part-head, part-feederposition, mounting angle)than adding or best having add a matchcode to CAD-data for the software to decide how the part has to be processed than after sorting that out the programming was done for each machine, calculating offsets and all that stuff, new component information added to the machine database and so on. There are still enough things to do at the machine itself, establishing visionfiles, calibrating for new parts, doing testruns etc.. So for your programmers and programms it�s essential to know everything about the parts and their handling parameters in your specific site. Once starting you start at zero with your data but than it grows and adopts to all your needs and with time you will be better and faster in programming your lines offline. Your needs will change as your equipment will change so be prepared to adjust to new situations, consider from the beginning all things thats around, let there be a chance to adopt your database to new challenges. I can�t recommend any software on the market because I just did it on my own with scripts we wrote to our needs and my boss wouldn�t spend money on things that could be done by people he already was paying for. So maybe someone else could give a good advice on available software with reasonable price.

Good luck and and the right decision

Wolfgang

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Earl Moon

#9762

Re: HOW TO PROGRAM FOR MOUNTER | 7 September, 1999

| | Would you let me know how to program a mounter out there. | | Do you adopt an in -line program or an off-line program. | | Do you use network system to transmit data to the machine. | | What percentage can you complete a program at off-line for mounter. | | and what procedure you have got for programming when you received caddata. | | I know the time for programming is variety as b'd varies. | | I want to know any company which has got so many models,parts | | changeover. We are in difficulty to control data and to program. | | | | I want your big help. | | Thanks in advance ... | | | | | There are so many ways doing something and each site looks different. | So for programming offline does have its advantages, you don�t get in conflict with produktion. | But you need to know your equipment, which part on which machine, which head, feeder, mounting angle, offsets etc. that�s what you have to consider or your tool you use. | Haven�t seen machines that doesn�t offer somekind of offline feature even if it�s the standard serial interface. | So doing the work offline is possible and IMO the best choice. | There are different softwaretools available I think but which one is the best depends on your equipment. | What I did was getting a database for my equipment (part-machine, part-head, part-feederposition, mounting angle)than adding or best having add a matchcode to CAD-data for the software to decide how the part has to be processed than after sorting that out the programming was done for each machine, calculating offsets and all that stuff, new component information added to the machine database and so on. | There are still enough things to do at the machine itself, establishing visionfiles, calibrating for new parts, doing testruns etc.. | So for your programmers and programms it�s essential to know everything about the parts and their handling parameters in your specific site. | Once starting you start at zero with your data but than it grows and adopts to all your needs and with time you will be better and faster in programming your lines offline. | Your needs will change as your equipment will change so be prepared to adjust to new situations, consider from the beginning all things thats around, let there be a chance to adopt your database to new challenges. | I can�t recommend any software on the market because I just did it on my own with scripts we wrote to our needs and my boss wouldn�t spend money on things that could be done by people he already was paying for. | So maybe someone else could give a good advice on available software with reasonable price. | | Good luck and and the right decision | | Wolfgang | Good stuff Wolfgang. I would add that often the biggest problem one faces is getting good data input from customers as footprints from data sheets, or? Another issue is assuring the BOM is correct and all parts are as required on it. Then, being able to translate CAD data to a "good" CAM software package to be used efficiently for off-line programming. Once the off-line stuff is done, tweak the on-line and "strage" or late stuff for optimization. After that, plow the on-line stuff back to the off-line program for production runs.

It always helps to start with some luxury of having prototypes and pilot builds. This allows one the ability to fine-tune programming and operational effectiveness/efficiency.

Earl Moon

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#9763

Re: HOW TO PROGRAM FOR MOUNTER | 7 September, 1999

| | | Would you let me know how to program a mounter out there. | | | Do you adopt an in -line program or an off-line program. | | | Do you use network system to transmit data to the machine. | | | What percentage can you complete a program at off-line for mounter. | | | and what procedure you have got for programming when you received caddata. | | | I know the time for programming is variety as b'd varies. | | | I want to know any company which has got so many models,parts | | | changeover. We are in difficulty to control data and to program. | | | | | | I want your big help. | | | Thanks in advance ... | | | | | | | | There are so many ways doing something and each site looks different. | | So for programming offline does have its advantages, you don�t get in conflict with produktion. | | But you need to know your equipment, which part on which machine, which head, feeder, mounting angle, offsets etc. that�s what you have to consider or your tool you use. | | Haven�t seen machines that doesn�t offer somekind of offline feature even if it�s the standard serial interface. | | So doing the work offline is possible and IMO the best choice. | | There are different softwaretools available I think but which one is the best depends on your equipment. | | What I did was getting a database for my equipment (part-machine, part-head, part-feederposition, mounting angle)than adding or best having add a matchcode to CAD-data for the software to decide how the part has to be processed than after sorting that out the programming was done for each machine, calculating offsets and all that stuff, new component information added to the machine database and so on. | | There are still enough things to do at the machine itself, establishing visionfiles, calibrating for new parts, doing testruns etc.. | | So for your programmers and programms it�s essential to know everything about the parts and their handling parameters in your specific site. | | Once starting you start at zero with your data but than it grows and adopts to all your needs and with time you will be better and faster in programming your lines offline. | | Your needs will change as your equipment will change so be prepared to adjust to new situations, consider from the beginning all things thats around, let there be a chance to adopt your database to new challenges. | | I can�t recommend any software on the market because I just did it on my own with scripts we wrote to our needs and my boss wouldn�t spend money on things that could be done by people he already was paying for. | | So maybe someone else could give a good advice on available software with reasonable price. | | | | Good luck and and the right decision | | | | Wolfgang | | | Good stuff Wolfgang. I would add that often the biggest problem one faces is getting good data input from customers as footprints from data sheets, or? Another issue is assuring the BOM is correct and all parts are as required on it. Then, being able to translate CAD data to a "good" CAM software package to be used efficiently for off-line programming. Once the off-line stuff is done, tweak the on-line and "strage" or late stuff for optimization. After that, plow the on-line stuff back to the off-line program for production runs. | | It always helps to start with some luxury of having prototypes and pilot builds. This allows one the ability to fine-tune programming and operational effectiveness/efficiency. | | Earl Moon | yeah that�s right, as for inhouse production things are easier to handle and you hopefully have enough influence on R&D and CAD. As a subcontractor this might look a bit different but good relationships have to grow and they improve over time but you should have a tool to adapt customers data to your format. Wolfgang

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