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Pick Place Change-overs, strengths, ages

Ryan

#9514

Pick Place Change-overs, strengths, ages | 16 September, 1999

I have a number of hopefully easy questions:

1. Are there significant differences in the ease of change-overs and set-up among different equipment manufacturers? For example, are Siemens Siplace machines truly more modular than others? 2. Is there truly a world-class vendor out there or does world-class exist in the eyes of the beholder? 3. What is the typical life cycle of a pick & place machine? Assume for a moment that all the preventative and preductive maintenance practices will be performed as recommended.

Thanks

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Earl Moon

#9515

Re: Pick Place Change-overs, strengths, ages | 16 September, 1999

| I have a number of hopefully easy questions: | | 1. Are there significant differences in the ease of change-overs and set-up among different equipment manufacturers? For example, are Siemens Siplace machines truly more modular than others?

We bought some for that reason, but others have worked well in the past as Zevatech, etc.

| 2. Is there truly a world-class vendor out there or does world-class exist in the eyes of the beholder?

Only by definition as in those same eyes, but could happen with DFM/CE.

| 3. What is the typical life cycle of a pick & place machine? Assume for a moment that all the preventative and preductive maintenance practices will be performed as recommended.

No problems with the maintenance stuff. Machines only are limited by advancing technology. | | Thanks | Earl Moon

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#9516

Re: Pick Place Change-overs, strengths, ages | 16 September, 1999

| I have a number of hopefully easy questions: | | 1. Are there significant differences in the ease of change-overs and set-up among different equipment manufacturers? For example, are Siemens Siplace machines truly more modular than others? | 2. Is there truly a world-class vendor out there or does world-class exist in the eyes of the beholder? | 3. What is the typical life cycle of a pick & place machine? Assume for a moment that all the preventative and preductive maintenance practices will be performed as recommended. | | Thanks | So Ryan have we just gotten back from lunch with someone?

1. Significant differences in change-overs between manufacturers?

So what's signicant? Generally no, but I know a place where they have all part numbers for all products on a Mydata TP19. Now that's fast change-over mister!!!

Are Siemens machines more modular than others?

No, maybe less so, because I never see a lone Siplace running ... they're always twins or triplets.

2. A world-class vendor out there?

Certainly Universal, Siemens, Fuji, Panasert, and Philips set the standard for the industry!!

3. Typical life cycle of a pick & place machine?

What do you mean? There are plenty of Quadstar 100s out there leading productive lives.

Good luck

Dave F

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JAX

#9517

Re: Pick Place Change-overs, strengths, ages | 16 September, 1999

| I have a number of hopefully easy questions: | | 1. Are there significant differences in the ease of change-overs and set-up among different equipment manufacturers? For example, are Siemens Siplace machines truly more modular than others?

The machines themselves might not have many differances in change-over time but many machines are compatible with little extras like: 1. scanning equipment which does away with checking for wrong parts at the start of a kit. 2. removable device tables that can be set up prior to finishing a kit. this makes a as easy as loading in a table. ( Fuji IP's, Universal GSM's, ect. ) The size of the kits also play a large role in this problem. | 2. Is there truly a world-class vendor out there or does world-class exist in the eyes of the beholder?

Just to name a few: Fuji Universal Phillips

| 3. What is the typical life cycle of a pick & place machine? Assume for a moment that all the preventative and preductive maintenance practices will be performed as recommended. | This one really depends on how good your preventative Maintanace team is. Other than that " You get what you paid for."

| Thanks |

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Earl Moon

#9518

Re: Pick Place Change-overs, strengths, ages | 17 September, 1999

| | I have a number of hopefully easy questions: | | | | 1. Are there significant differences in the ease of change-overs and set-up among different equipment manufacturers? For example, are Siemens Siplace machines truly more modular than others? | | 2. Is there truly a world-class vendor out there or does world-class exist in the eyes of the beholder? | | 3. What is the typical life cycle of a pick & place machine? Assume for a moment that all the preventative and preductive maintenance practices will be performed as recommended. | | | | Thanks | | | So Ryan have we just gotten back from lunch with someone? | | 1. Significant differences in change-overs between manufacturers? | | So what's signicant? Generally no, but I know a place where they have all part numbers for all products on a Mydata TP19. Now that's fast change-over mister!!! | | Are Siemens machines more modular than others? | | No, maybe less so, because I never see a lone Siplace running ... they're always twins or triplets. | | 2. A world-class vendor out there? | | Certainly Universal, Siemens, Fuji, Panasert, and Philips set the standard for the industry!! | | 3. Typical life cycle of a pick & place machine? | | What do you mean? There are plenty of Quadstar 100s out there leading productive lives. | | Good luck | | Dave F | MYDATA, forgot that one Dave. Yes - a great way to go. In my last contract, these things did everything including huge boards and all the rest. They really seem to live up to their hype.

Earl Moon

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Ryan

#9519

Re: Pick Place Change-overs, strengths, ages | 17 September, 1999

| | I have a number of hopefully easy questions: | | | | 1. Are there significant differences in the ease of change-overs and set-up among different equipment manufacturers? For example, are Siemens Siplace machines truly more modular than others? | | 2. Is there truly a world-class vendor out there or does world-class exist in the eyes of the beholder? | | 3. What is the typical life cycle of a pick & place machine? Assume for a moment that all the preventative and preductive maintenance practices will be performed as recommended. | | | | Thanks | | | So Ryan have we just gotten back from lunch with someone?

Yes, and for a rookie, it was mildly confusing. I'm as of recent, a regular "reader" of the forum and thought it might be (and it is!!!) a good place to get other opinions.

Thanks for your help. | | 1. Significant differences in change-overs between manufacturers? | | So what's signicant? Generally no, but I know a place where they have all part numbers for all products on a Mydata TP19. Now that's fast change-over mister!!! | | Are Siemens machines more modular than others? | | No, maybe less so, because I never see a lone Siplace running ... they're always twins or triplets. | | 2. A world-class vendor out there? | | Certainly Universal, Siemens, Fuji, Panasert, and Philips set the standard for the industry!! | | 3. Typical life cycle of a pick & place machine? | | What do you mean? There are plenty of Quadstar 100s out there leading productive lives. | | Good luck | | Dave F |

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Scott S. Snider

#9520

Re: Pick Place Change-overs, strengths, ages | 17 September, 1999

| I have a number of hopefully easy questions: | | 1. Are there significant differences in the ease of change-overs and set-up among different equipment manufacturers? For example, are Siemens Siplace machines truly more modular than others? There are enormous changover differences between suppliers equipment. In my limited experience of using Dynapert, Excellon, Universal, Fuji, Zevatech, Quad and Siemens, the SiPlace is my favorite for changeovers especially if you add the optimization feature in. That does not mean it is the best machine for your particular application. I do think most of the manufacturers are coming out with copies of the Siemens approach. Which is eventually drive cost down. | 2. Is there truly a world-class vendor out there or does world-class exist in the eyes of the beholder? Lots of them out there. | 3. What is the typical life cycle of a pick & place machine? Assume for a moment that all the preventative and preductive maintenance practices will be performed as recommended. I'm a believer in leasing pick and place equipment and getting rid of it after three years. I've always worked for OEM developing product and the designers always want to use some package that my current equipment chokes on. All the PM in the world won't get some equipment to place 0402'2, 0201's, microBGA's, etc. | | Thanks |

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#9521

Re: Pick Place Change-overs, strengths, ages | 17 September, 1999

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| | So Ryan have we just gotten back from lunch with someone? | | Yes, and for a rookie, it was mildly confusing. I'm as of recent, a regular "reader" of the forum and thought it might be (and it is!!!) a good place to get other opinions. | | Thanks for your help.

I think you first step (after you're satiated of course) should be to determine / predict the type of assembly environment where you'd like to be operating machinery. Certainly flipping jobs is important to all, but understanding lot sizes is a good point to begin to focus your search.

My2�

Dave F

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