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Re: IR Versus Hot Air - Put-Up Your Dukes...........Not a lot of blood guys!!!

Jeff Sanchez

#9273

Re: IR Versus Hot Air - Put-Up Your Dukes...........Not a lot of blood guys!!! | 28 September, 1999

I finaly get a vacation and decide to go to the forum and low and behold it's hot air verses a small ray of sun.I read every thread and still failed to see any real argument either way? I love rework as an assembler. I hate rework as a shop owner. The fact that I am a PDR rep does not effect my judgment....lol. I have a solder light on my bench and find it's removal abilities work great for every componant that I have used it on. Large package or small, it made no difference. I know for a fact if I purchased The Hakko 850 or 851 (wich I believe to be a fair comparison) I would have paid four times as much. I don't have to change or buy new heads, just point and click! Placement I am not so sure about because I'm looking at different alloys in paste and want to put them to the test. As far as the higher end models like PDR's Light Master Pro V/S The AirVac? I was kind of hoping some of you could make a clear distinction. What I got out of all the threads that where posted was it's more a matter of aplication and $$$$$$. I have burned a board or two. But that's the operators fault for bad profiling not hot air or ir. I am sure there are some good distinctions at the higher end, but just because ir has been around for decades does not make it less of an option for rework. I don't think there is a real argument here! Just prefferences!!!..............Jeff

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Earl Moon

#9274

Re: IR Versus Hot Air - Put-Up Your Dukes...........Not a lot of blood guys!!! | 28 September, 1999

| I finaly get a vacation and decide to go to the forum and low and behold it's hot air verses a small ray of sun.I read every thread and still failed to see any real argument either way? I love rework as an assembler. I hate rework as a shop owner. The fact that I am a PDR rep does not effect my judgment....lol. | I have a solder light on my bench and find it's removal abilities work great for every componant that I have used it on. Large package or small, it made no difference. I know for a fact if I purchased The Hakko 850 or 851 (wich I believe to be a fair comparison) I would have paid four times as much. I don't have to change or buy new heads, just point and click! Placement I am not so sure about because I'm looking at different alloys in paste and want to put them to the test. As far as the higher end models like PDR's Light Master Pro V/S The AirVac? I was kind of hoping some of you could make a clear distinction. What I got out of all the threads that where posted was it's more a matter of aplication and $$$$$$. I have burned a board or two. But that's the operators fault for bad profiling not hot air or ir. I am sure there are some good distinctions at the higher end, but just because ir has been around for decades does not make it less of an option for rework. I don't think there is a real argument here! Just prefferences!!!..............Jeff | Hell Jeff,

I think IR sucks but great to see from your ass again. Wow, what a poor choice of terms conjuring up an image --- forgotten. Good input and insightful especially the repair operator versus shop owner. You certainly have done it all, successfully, as Wolfy, Scotty, and most everyone else - except the rookies. My God, the rookies. Can you imagin starting out in this jungle - the drawbacks and advantages. Wish I could figure out where Dave got all his stuff. Maybe, I don't want to envision that either. The depate rages? I think not.

Earl Moon

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Dean

#9275

Re: IR Versus Hot Air - Put-Up Your Dukes...........Not a lot of blood guys!!! | 28 September, 1999

| I finaly get a vacation and decide to go to the forum and low and behold it's hot air verses a small ray of sun.I read every thread and still failed to see any real argument either way? I love rework as an assembler. I hate rework as a shop owner. The fact that I am a PDR rep does not effect my judgment....lol. | I have a solder light on my bench and find it's removal abilities work great for every componant that I have used it on. Large package or small, it made no difference. I know for a fact if I purchased The Hakko 850 or 851 (wich I believe to be a fair comparison) I would have paid four times as much. I don't have to change or buy new heads, just point and click! Placement I am not so sure about because I'm looking at different alloys in paste and want to put them to the test. As far as the higher end models like PDR's Light Master Pro V/S The AirVac? I was kind of hoping some of you could make a clear distinction. What I got out of all the threads that where posted was it's more a matter of aplication and $$$$$$. I have burned a board or two. But that's the operators fault for bad profiling not hot air or ir. I am sure there are some good distinctions at the higher end, but just because ir has been around for decades does not make it less of an option for rework. I don't think there is a real argument here! Just prefferences!!!..............Jeff | I disagree. The issue is not whether IR works. It is how effective it works over a broad range of applications. The wider my process window, the greater my confidence the job will be done correctly. From my experience a machine which can rework a flip chip then five five minutes later rework an 8 pound backplane removing 20 amp power connectors 6 inches long is the machine I stake my reputation on. I for one would rather hear from the studious members of the forum on their hot gas rework triumphs rather than their IR defeats. So give it up guys. rework horror stories unite!

Dean More bang for your hot gas buck!

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Dreamsniper

#9276

Re: IR Versus Hot Air - Put-Up Your Dukes...........Not a lot of blood guys!!! | 29 September, 1999

| | I finaly get a vacation and decide to go to the forum and low and behold it's hot air verses a small ray of sun.I read every thread and still failed to see any real argument either way? I love rework as an assembler. I hate rework as a shop owner. The fact that I am a PDR rep does not effect my judgment....lol. | | I have a solder light on my bench and find it's removal abilities work great for every componant that I have used it on. Large package or small, it made no difference. I know for a fact if I purchased The Hakko 850 or 851 (wich I believe to be a fair comparison) I would have paid four times as much. I don't have to change or buy new heads, just point and click! Placement I am not so sure about because I'm looking at different alloys in paste and want to put them to the test. As far as the higher end models like PDR's Light Master Pro V/S The AirVac? I was kind of hoping some of you could make a clear distinction. What I got out of all the threads that where posted was it's more a matter of aplication and $$$$$$. I have burned a board or two. But that's the operators fault for bad profiling not hot air or ir. I am sure there are some good distinctions at the higher end, but just because ir has been around for decades does not make it less of an option for rework. I don't think there is a real argument here! Just prefferences!!!..............Jeff | | | IR is good for small repair shops...like TV, Radio etc.... The costs on the rework process ends up more expensive when using IR. Why not use hot air then when you can afford it and save the rest of the cash.

cheers !

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Jeff Sanchez

#9277

Re: IR Versus Hot Air - Put-Up Your Dukes...........That's better. | 29 September, 1999

| | I finaly get a vacation and decide to go to the forum and low and behold it's hot air verses a small ray of sun.I read every thread and still failed to see any real argument either way? I love rework as an assembler. I hate rework as a shop owner. The fact that I am a PDR rep does not effect my judgment....lol. | | I have a solder light on my bench and find it's removal abilities work great for every componant that I have used it on. Large package or small, it made no difference. I know for a fact if I purchased The Hakko 850 or 851 (wich I believe to be a fair comparison) I would have paid four times as much. I don't have to change or buy new heads, just point and click! Placement I am not so sure about because I'm looking at different alloys in paste and want to put them to the test. As far as the higher end models like PDR's Light Master Pro V/S The AirVac? I was kind of hoping some of you could make a clear distinction. What I got out of all the threads that where posted was it's more a matter of aplication and $$$$$$. I have burned a board or two. But that's the operators fault for bad profiling not hot air or ir. I am sure there are some good distinctions at the higher end, but just because ir has been around for decades does not make it less of an option for rework. I don't think there is a real argument here! Just prefferences!!!..............Jeff | | | Hell Jeff, | | I think IR sucks but great to see from your ass again. Wow, what a poor choice of terms conjuring up an image --- forgotten. Good input and insightful especially the repair operator versus shop owner. You certainly have done it all, successfully, as Wolfy, Scotty, and most everyone else - except the rookies. My God, the rookies. Can you imagin starting out in this jungle - the drawbacks and advantages. Wish I could figure out where Dave got all his stuff. Maybe, I don't want to envision that either. The depate rages? I think not. | | Earl Moon | Thanks Earl, Dean, Dreamsniper. I just wanted a good perspective. I have not had the opportunity to put both to the test to the degree that Dean implied. You all may have a good knowledge base on both. I wanted some clear distinctions..Thanks Dean! Gee Earl , you where probably figuring out which was better while my diapers where being changed........Jeff

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