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Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info

Jay

#7513

Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info | 31 July, 2001

Does any have any experience with Multitroniks pick & place machines. How do the machines perform for accuracy, repeatability, programmability and serviceability? Does the machine have a good uptime record? How is the service & support? I ask these questions because as I understand it, Tyco Electronics has just purchased Mutlitroniks and Quad Systems, and has merged them into one company. I hear noise around the industry that the Multitroniks machines may be the new Tyco offering. I am a long time Quad user; I have three QSP-2 machines, which perform very well in my facility. I will be looking for new equipment next quarter and I am trying to understand if I should look at the Multitroniks offerings. I have heard their machines are very basic entry-level machines with minimal functionality. Any insight into these questions will be greatly appreciated.

Jay B

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#7515

Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info | 31 July, 2001

Multitronics machines, in their lastest incarnation, previously were Dynapert machines. A largely UK phenomenon. It's unclear that Multitromics made much US market penitration since their acquistion of Dynapert a couple of years ago.

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chip

#7516

Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info | 31 July, 2001

In the past I have spoken to Multitronics sales reps and looked into the product line. I saw their equipment more suited for a smaller "mom and pop" type shop, I work for a mid size contract house and it wouldn't have come close to meeting my needs. I currently have a Phillips line and a couple of Quads 2c machine and a QSV, I am personally looking forward to Quads' engineering types to have backing from a large company (with deep pockets)to persue advances in the Q type platforms

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DL

#7518

Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info | 1 August, 2001

Jay,

I agree with your assement and Chips on the Quads. I once worked at a shop that had Quads and DynaPerts(at the time) The perts were slower(TIME) and required(EFFORT/PEOPLE) more MAINTENANCE(more effort more people and more requirements!!!). I've worked with mostly Quads myself..IIIc Quad2000, QSV, QSP-2, APS-1H(wafer presentation). I love 'em!!

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Pete Barton

#7522

Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info | 1 August, 2001

> Jay, > > I agree with your assement and Chips on > the Quads. I once worked at a shop that had Quads > and DynaPerts(at the time) The perts were > slower(TIME) and required(EFFORT/PEOPLE) more > MAINTENANCE(more effort more people and more > requirements!!!). I've worked with mostly Quads > myself..IIIc Quad2000, QSV, QSP-2, APS-1H(wafer > presentation). I love 'em!!

I feel I must come to the defence slightly of Multitroniks, at least to their later machine developments. I must also add I do not work for Multitroniks/Tyco.

In my previous incarnation I ran 2 of their dual beam 10 headed machines (Model DHM120) in a small/medium volume environment which is what the equipment is designed for.

Yes this is a British machine and Multitroniks are based in the UK and were taken over by Tyco recently.

We had these machines from their very launch on to the market and they were not without their teething problems but the service backup was very good, with sevice engineers being available on site the same or following day with instant advice from the factory on the phone. After the bugs were ironed out they were very reliable and gave consistent performance.

One very good point about these machines was their capability to handle a very wide range of parts from 0402 up to large scale BGA (with full BGA ball inspection), with capacity for a large number of feeders on the machine. This suited the business needs very well (contract manuf. small/med. volume with the need to handle any component the customer designed in).

Measured placement rates were around 7K parts per hour when placing a high mix of parts complexity. Not too bad. The kit was also relatively easy to program and reconfigure, with the added benefit of having intelligent feeders. Useful for inventory control etc...

Best regards,

Pete Barton

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Jay

#7536

Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info | 1 August, 2001

Gentleman,

I very much appreciate the Multitronks history lesson. But does anyone have any experience with the current day Multitroniks offerings. I understand they may have machines installed in the UK but does anyone in the US have any experiences they would like to share. Are there any machines even installed in the US?

Thank You Jay B

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Binns

#7537

Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info | 1 August, 2001

Multi who ??

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Binns

#7541

Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info | 2 August, 2001

Jay In reference to your original question ( not including my previous off-hand remark ) I have not heard that multitronics will be the only machine from the new tyco company, but if it is true i think that would be the single most foolish thing they could do. Just taking into account the current amount of multitron machines and users out there, referencing the earlier postings. (including my off hand remark..) compare that to quad users and machines out there (huge difference, i mean night and day!).

If you are looking for equipment next quarter, try to put it off until after APEX then you will see exactly what Quad-Multitronic-Tyco-who ever is trying to sell and you can do your homework with other machines right there if you don't like what they put out. APEX seems like a long time away but it is only around the corner if you are purchasing machines and you will be hung out to dry if they don't cut the mustard in your plant.

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Steve Merkt

#17081

Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info | 3 August, 2001

The press release attached below provides some insight into the direction Tyco is planning to head with the Automation Group.

For Immediate Release

Tyco Electronics Expands Automation Group; Offers Quad Systems Assembly Equipment

Quad Systems is now a part of the rapidly growing Tyco Electronics Automation Group. George Szekely, General Manager of the Automation Group, said the addition of Quad brings in-house one more element of its end-to-end electronics assembly equipment offering.

�Today we are providing complete solutions for CEMs and other electronics assembly manufacturers built around our highly flexible surface-mount placement machines. The value we provide customers will continue to increase as we enhance our portfolio in the future.�

�Quad equipment users will get our full attention for spare parts and service support. With the added capabilities of Tyco Electronics, Quad customers will have access to greater resources for the maintenance, extension and upgrade of their existing lines. They also can benefit from the process innovation and flexible financing that Tyco Electronics customers find so valuable.�

Included under the Tyco Electronics brand are MultiTronik�s and Quad's surface-mount placement equipment, Quad�s advanced packaging systems (APS line), reflow ovens, and related equipment, ASG press-fit application machines, and a worldwide corps of application and service engineers deployed for quick response to customers� needs.

With further expansion on the horizon, Szekely said: �we are continuing to gather additional resources that enhance our ability to provide complete solutions for electronics assembly automation,�

About Tyco Electronics Tyco Electronics is one of the major business units of Tyco International Ltd. Headquartered in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, USA, Tyco Electronics is the world�s largest passive electronic components manufacturer, and a world leader in cutting-edge wireless technologies, fiber optic active components, and complete power systems. The company has facilities located in 51 countries serving customers in the aerospace, automotive, computer, communications, consumer electronics, industrial and power industries. Tyco Electronics provides advanced technology products from over thirty well-known and respected product brands, including Agastat, Alcoswitch, AMP, AMP Netconnect, Buchanan, CoEv, Critchley, Elcon, Elo TouchSystems, HTS, M/A-COM, Madison Cable, OEG, Potter & Brumfield, Raychem, Schrack, Simel and TDI Batteries.

About Tyco International Ltd. Tyco International Ltd. (NYSE:TYC, LSE:TYI, BSE:TYC) is a diversified manufacturing and service company. Tyco is the world�s largest manufacturer and servicer of electrical and electronic components; the world�s largest designer, manufacturer, installer and servicer of undersea telecommunications systems; the world�s largest manufacturer, installer and provider of fire protection systems and electronic security services and the world�s largest manufacturer of specialty valves. Tyco also holds strong leadership positions in medical device products, financing and leasing capital, plastics and adhesives. Tyco operates in more than 100 countries and had fiscal 2000 revenues of $28.9 billion.

TYCO is a trademark.

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Jay

#17092

Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info | 3 August, 2001

Steve,

I will assume from the eloquently worded press release you are an employee of Tyco Electronics. Let me start off by saying welcome to the SMT neighborhood, we will be looking forward to the new options your company will provide us. One thing you will find out quickly about the SMT world, is that even thou we are extremely competitive we also share information freely, as is evident by the existence of this forum. Any thing new that happens tends to travel at the speed of light in the SMT world, and Tyco is new. So when a Multitronks salesman visits my friends facility in southern California, who is a very large Quad user and tells him that,the Multitroniks machines will be the only new platform Tyco Electronic will be offing in the future, it make the rest of nervous. So now we have two stories one being told by your sales people and being told by your corporate press release. Hopefully the inconsistencies in the two stories are just growing pains. I guess for now I will just take Binn�s advise and wait until APEX to see what the Tyco offering will be���.

Again Welcome to the neighborhood (have fun and good luck)

Jay B

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CAL

#17104

Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info | 6 August, 2001

Quad and Multitroniks have capable machines. The merge has created some issues and concerns. The biggest issue is logistics and support. Quad is at bare bare bones. I know the last Quad product manager left 4 months ago. Also, Mirae Split from Quad in Jan and has a product line starting from entry level to "High-end" machines. Tyco is new with SMT machines. Multitroniks will be relocating to Quad facility here in Pennsylvania. So issues and obstacles I see are who will service the machines? Who will train on operations? Who is the applications engineer? Who is the product manager? What is the part availability? Who is supporting legacy equipment? on and on and on.....

Caldon W. Driscoll ACI USA 610-362-1200 cdriscoll@aciusa.org

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Fox

#17112

Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info | 6 August, 2001

I think that anyone who has any questions about Tyco Electronics' offerings as far as equipment should check out their new web site: automation.tycoelectronics.com One other note about the references to Dynapert equipment and their link to Multitroniks. Multitroniks purchased Intelliplace (UK company) two years ago who had purchased Dynapert a few years back. Multitroniks was a US company that worked out of both their US headquarters and the former UK office of Intelliplace (hence the name of our newer machines 'Intelliplacer') These machines are NOT Dynapert machines (318's, 2200's) but machines that are new to the market within the last few yaers.

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SL

#17121

Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info | 7 August, 2001

I and my fellows have been long term customers of Quad and recently purchased the nineth, I think, Quad machine a QSV as well as two stencil printers in the recent past.

My experience with the Quad Corporation has been outstanding in terms of customer service and machine performance.

Accuracy is as advertised.

I am very concerned that Quad service and support continue as I have known it.

I await the next new improvement in robotic equipment that they may offer.

The machines have been extremely reliable and virtually never require any kind of calibration and little maintenance. Just set them up and run them.

The new sofware is extremely powerful and the GUI is most helpful.

Anytime I have a question, phone support quickly makes the problem go away.

As I am preparing my capital budget for 2002, another Quad machine is on the request list.

I hope to see positive resluts from the Tyco buyout. (My second choice is not the Multitroniks unit.)

Just my personal opinion.

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JB

#17129

Multitroniks, Quad System and Tyco Info | 7 August, 2001

I am quiet intrigued with the above responses to Jay's original questions. No one has answered in reference to how the Multi machines perform as far as accuracy and the rest of the original ?s. I would hope to find someone out there with some information other than a HISTORY lesson. Who cares about the past.

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