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How to operate a CSM 66

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How to operate a CSM 66 | 6 October, 2010

I recently started with a company that boughgt a used CSM66 Type PA130460. The machine did not come with any reference material and its a pain learning by creating errors. Can anyone share with me any related material that is necessary to get the tool running smooth. Thanks in advance.


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How to operate a CSM 66 | 7 October, 2010

I cannot offer a manual as a PDF, however I do have printed copies that could be photocopied. To be honest.. the manuals are little help as they are very Jap-English, anyway the Yamaha/Philips 66 is a simple machine that requires no real program training. The only skilled advice is that given to maintain the Chucks and calibrate the machine to make it work properly with CAD data. There are many pitfalls in that area.

Feel free to ask advice.

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How to operate a CSM 66 | 26 October, 2010

Hmm, that's a fairly old machine, even older than mine! (I have a CSM84 PA130640). Anyway, it is best to program the machine from CAD system data, I wrote a little program in C to read in the component type and XYR position, and produce the file in the format the machine takes in. This works VASTLY better than teaching the placement. The only thing I teach is the pick-up location of stick-feeder and tray parts.

I also get the fiducial locations off the CAD system. I calculate the X offset by measuring the board width and subtracting that from the normal XY reference position of the main stop. For back side, the board's lower left corner is (0,0) and that goes against the main stop, so the board origin is the corner of the main stop, therefore always the same numbers. I don't use the index pins.

One nasty thing I learned: 1. clear the MIS data after every run. If it builds up enough, it will consume all memory and halt in the middle of a board with the very vague error "data overflow".

It is also possible to jam the machine up so bad you have to turn it off to reset it, if you program wrong values in the pick-up location of a feeder not set to auto-set. Most other errors will be caught when it loads the placement program, although from the error messages it can be quite hard to figure out what the actual problem is.

If you can be more specific on what you are having problems with, I and others can probably help. I've pretty much gotten using my machine down to a science, but I am only doing certain things with it, so there are things it CAN do that I haven't explored. My machine has no vision, Z, auto nozzle exchanger or glue dispenser. I have one head set up for smaller passives like 0805 up to 1210, one set for SOICs and such, and head 3 has the chuck removed for large chips, and I use the mechanical alignment unit with that head.

In the end, you really need to get an operator's manual, at the least. Possibly somebody has one scanned. A nice guy got me a scanned copy of the maint. manual for my exact machine. But, any CSM operator's manual will be quite useful, they didn't change too much stuff except the vision system over the years. If you find a CSM84 manual, it should be very applicable, there is very little difference between CSM66 and CSM84 machines of the same vintage.


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How to operate a CSM 66 | 26 October, 2010

> To be honest.. the manuals are > little help as they are very Jap-English, anyway Well, it depends on the vintage. The very first manuals were translated from Japanese to Dutch to English, and it SHOWS! However, at some point, somebody in the US rewrote the manual, and it improved dramatically. I have a couple different versions of the operator's manual, and it wasn't an edit, it was a complete rewrite from the beginning, only the pictures remained.

There is something in the Japanese culture that they can't tell you how to DO something, that would be demeaning, so they explain how things work, in a very disorganized fashion, and then you have to figure out the sequence and procedure on your own. I have worked on various gear from Japan, and all the manuals are like that.

So, anyway, a later version manual is better laid out, but the earlier manual may apply more specifically to that model. But, the operating procedures changed very little except in the area of the vision system, so a later manual would be a lot easier to learn from.

Yeah, these machines are pretty easy, but if you are going to write your own placement files from CAD data, then you may also need the maint. manual. I'm not sure the line by line breakdown of the files is in the operator's manual, I think it is only in the maint. manual.


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How to operate a CSM 66 | 1 November, 2010

I have finally finished my shareware SMT program, It reads Protel and spits out Yamaha/Philips UFOS files. It can be downloaded from:


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How to operate a CSM 66 | 1 November, 2010

I have a question regarding the csm66, i have that particular machine - but have 2 problems :

(1) Movement speed - its set at 100% but just crawls in the run mode .. i dont understand why.

(2) I have a teaching camera but it does not recognize it in the offset screen. i can see it physically scanning the board on the 1st monitor so it is definately plugged in, but when i go to place my mounts it wont let me visualize with the camera, it defaults to the sensor and the offset has the sensor and head 1/2/3 only, in the machine configuration screen i have the teaching camera as a "yes".

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