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FUJI CP743 anyone???

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#6076

FUJI CP743 anyone??? | 24 April, 2001

Hello all,

Has anyone out in SMT land have any feed back on the Fuji Cp743 placement machine. We have older CP4-2 machines and they have held up pretty well...but we jumped on the Siemens band wagon 18 months ago and whamo...we have had more service calls in 18 months with Siemens than in 5 years with Fuji... Comments...

Lee

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CAL

#6080

FUJI CP743 anyone??? | 24 April, 2001

Fuji has always had stable machines CP,IP,Qp machines are true Fuji Form.I would shy away from the NP series though (for now). What I have found with Fuji - once it goes down it is down hard (Not taking the part shipped in from Japan into consideration). The CP machines are proven machines but lack flexibility and foot print.

"we jumped on the band wagon" not a good idea to not look where you are jumping esp. with a capitol investment. I know for a fact Siemens gives customers every opportunity to fail the machine on performance. What is the run time you are running for the Siemens 24/7? Mon-Fri two shifts? I have to ask what is the acceptability criteria you established for the machine?

Caldon W. Driscoll ACI USA 610-362-1200 cdriscoll@aciusa.org

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#6120

FUJI CP743 anyone??? | 27 April, 2001

The "band wagon" was a corporate decision. The performance issue concerned a communications problem between the line computer and the F5 (f5 locked up in the middle of a PCB). This issue did not show it's ugly head until a month after install. I took about 6 months to get this situation resolved....and many visits from Siemens. I know that all company's have problems with machines made on friday's but... 2 weeks ago we lost our first 6 station revolver head on our f5... cost of repair $33K. Root cause of the failure was a cocked feeder and a crash? Our machines have no way of detecting this failure mode. (Operators!!!) I have talked to Siemens and they have added a feature to their new machines in order to prevent this from happening.

We run our line 5 days/week and 3 shifts.

I like the Siemens platform and the placement quality is top notch but if your operators make a error... oh boy!

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CAL

#6121

FUJI CP743 anyone??? | 27 April, 2001

I agree "can't put teens with learner permits on NASCAR raceways and expect them to succeed"

I am confused though....Once the program is sent to the machine the line computer is there just for line monitoring (Errors and alarms). The machine runs with the information sent once the job is started. hmmmm.....but who knows with unix.

Siemens has always had the Problem of "Cocked feeders" being an issue. They have been working on a sensor curtain to E-Stop out if a feeder is cocked.

Always remember the sales guy. No matter the hierarchy (prez/CEO on down) the typical structure goes.. Prez then sales guy then the rest of the organization. I found hammering the sale(s) guys usually gets what I need.

Caldon W. Driscoll ACI USA 610-362-1200 cdriscoll@aciusa.org

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#6122

FUJI CP743 anyone??? | 27 April, 2001

I sometimes feel like the chicken that is trying to cross the road on the NASCAR track...ha! ha!

FYI for the technicians....

Be careful... when you are moving the machine around by the handle on the head after you have pulled a segment out by 0hand --> you can crash a segment quite easily. There are other ways you can crash a seqment such as hitting estop or openning the sliding door when the segment is down and moving the gantry by hand

Have a great weekend!

Lee

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J.D.

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FUJI CP743 anyone??? | 4 May, 2001

Lee,

There must have been a reason you liked the modular type platform. With that in mind we have modular equipment that has the reliability of you are looking for. Our PM schedule is minimal and the machines aren�t temperamental, they just run. If you would like I can send you information and give you customers who will testify to what I am saying.

Sincerely,

J.D. of Panasonic Create

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T.F.

#6579

FUJI CP743 anyone??? | 14 May, 2001

Siemens makes feeder hold down brackets for the F5 that does prevent the operator from leaving the feeder in a position that can cause a crash.

The brackets attach to the feeder table so you need one bracket per table. The part part number for the bracket is 341238.

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#6601

FUJI CP743 anyone??? | 15 May, 2001

I have never seen a CP 743. Was it hidden in the Fuji fort? I know a CP 643 though. Stefan

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dougk

#6653

FUJI CP743 anyone??? | 21 May, 2001

We have both CP 4/2's and 4/3. We're also running Siemens S20's & F4's. The 4/3's vision is more temperamental and slightly harder to program. Machine startup and nozzle centering takes longer, but placement time is slightly better. Honestly, for what we use our CP 4/2's for, they're a bit less frustrating to use then the 4/3. As for Siemens machines, well, the difference is much like having both a Mack truck, and a Porcelain doll. Siemens machines are very easily damaged (even during normal PM's and operation), while I'm relatively sure you can run into an operating CP with a sub-compact car, and not greatly affect it's performance. Having your operators switch back and forth between techniques of machine handling (especially from FUJI to Siemens) is difficult, and sometimes costly. We�ve had to do much re-training to acclimate our people to Siemens machines that require delicate handling.

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