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CSM84 doorway ?

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#48000

CSM84 doorway ? | 27 February, 2007

Does anyone know how wide a doorway you need to accomodate a Philips CSM84? I don't mind taking off covers and accessories to make it a bit narrower, if that will help. The spec sheet indicates the smallest dimension is 53" (1350 mm) which I'm hoping is the operational footprint, not the shipping size. I'm hoping I don't have to widen a doorway in the hardest concrete known to man! Drilling a hole for a lead anchor is a half-day challenge, I can't imagine what it would be like to do 7+ feet of saw-cut in the stuff.

Thanks in advance,

Jon

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#48014

CSM84 doorway ? | 27 February, 2007

I think you need to measure the biggest part of your machine to see how it mght fit through.

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#48015

CSM84 doorway ? | 27 February, 2007

The machine is 2000 miles away, and the eBay auction has not closed yet. I'm working from what pictures and spec sheets I can find on the net right now. If I do win the bidding, I will need to be sure there is an opening wide enough for the machine when it shows up. There is also some confusion on the weight of this model. I've seen numbers from 670 to 2500 Lbs. I have seen roughly 1500 Lbs/750 Kg in a few places, that sounds reasonable. The machine is the CSM84 with no suffix letters. I don't know if the vision options make any difference on weight or exterior size.

Thanks,

Jon

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RDR

#48036

CSM84 doorway ? | 28 February, 2007

Have you contacted Philips by any chance? I am sure that they have this data on their website. I would also bet that the machine does not weigh 670 pounds it will be more.

Russ

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#48060

CSM84 doorway ? | 28 February, 2007

Philips is out of this business. They spun off the SMT business as Assembleon America. Their site is partially closed, and I don't know what hoops you have to jump through to become a member. The open part of their site gives no result when you search for "CSM". The CSM84 ended production roughly 10 years ago, and Assembleon's current products are entirely different machines. The CSM line was made by Yamaha, according to some other threads on this board. Of course, it is an obsolete model as far as they are concerned, too. But, their docs look like they might show the operating floor footprint. What I was looking for was somebody with experience moving this model to see if there are some covers that can be removed, etc. to get it through a narrow door. If I have to cut a 54" opening in the wall, so be it, but it seems a little odd they'd need such a wide door. I currently have a 36" door with good maneuverability on both sides of the doorway.

Thanks,

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Jason Robotham - Tekmart

#48061

CSM84 doorway ? | 28 February, 2007

Dimensions (L X W x H): 1650 x 1302 x 1820mm (5.4 x 4.27 x 6ft)

Weight: 700 kg (1543 lb).

from manual of CMS 84vz. If you do not get the one on ebay, let me know if you are interested in the one I have in Canada.

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#48066

CSM84 doorway ? | 28 February, 2007

Thanks for the data. That looks like the numbers I've seen, but the machine I have bid on (gulp) is an 84 with no suffix. I doubt that changes the dimensions, though. But, what I am trying to find out is if covers and panels can be removed to thin the machine down some to pass through a doorway. 1302 mm is awfully wide, and I'm going to have to cut a concrete doorway to allow the machine to pass through if it can't be slimmed down. I've gotten a Bridgeport mill and a 3500 Lb lathe through the same door with no difficulty, as well as a bunch of other heavy gear. But, if it has to be, then I am willing to cut the doorway.

I'm almost hoping somebody outbids me, because I really DO want the VZ options. How much do you want for yours? If you don't want to reply publicly, you can email me at elson@pico-systems.com

Thanks,

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#48092

CSM84 doorway ? | 1 March, 2007

Before you go any further - what do you want to do with this machine? Search the archives for Yamaha Philips cross reference and there is a bit of info there on what they are capable of. Forget about 0402 and they will only do 0603 capacitors with any regularity after a special modigication to the feeders due to the paper tape thickness of an 0603 cap. The Yamaha equivalent was a YM84 - they are less than 1200mm wide; if you are lucky then Philips only added bigger body panels, BUT, I don't know if this is the case or not.

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#48105

CSM84 doorway ? | 1 March, 2007

I am having second thoughts, because this machine is not an 84VZ. That's the one I would prefer. But, it is still at $520 on eBay! Arrghhhh! Well, in a little over a day I will know one way or the other. Thanks for the info on the equivalent Yamaha machine. The Philips does look like it has some bulky covers on the "front" that wrap partly around the feeders. But, I will have to cut the doorway before the machine arrives, so i can get it indoors quickly. I don't want to have to keep a rental forklift too many days. Even 1200 mm will require cutting, the door is now 36" wide.

I have no desire to do 0402 or anything that small. I'm doing industrial control electronics, and 0805 has been just fine. I do some .5 and .65mm chips though, and I know this machine can't do those without the VZ fiducial camera. The number of these high density chips is small, so we can keep doing those by hand. We have been doing ALL SMT assembly by hand for years, and it is getting old. On the other hand, the volume we do is so small, and the batch size so small, contract assemblers won't want to talk to us. This also means we have a VERY small budget for a P&P machine.

Thanks,

Jon

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#48107

CSM84 doorway ? | 2 March, 2007

Hi Jon,

Did you purchased the machine & solved your problem? I have a CSM66 with the same problem, but my door is only 850mm wide. The machines size is 1383x1378x1915. The machine can be more narrow(960mm) in one of it's size by removing the covers. My only way is to remove the head section. In this case CSM can be app.700mm height. Your machine's size depends on it's release I,II or III. I can help you with photos or docs. (my machine can easily place 0.65mm pitch IC)

Best regards: andras

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#48122

CSM84 doorway ? | 2 March, 2007

21 hours to go, then I find out whether I own the boat anchor or not! Ahh, going down from 1300 to 960 mm is a great reduction! (Of course, that's a different machine, so it may not apply.) Maybe I'll try to get some more detailed pictures to figure out how much I have to cut. But, I really want to be able to bring the machine right in when it arrives.

Thanks,

Jon

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Rob

#48147

CSM84 doorway ? | 5 March, 2007

If you win, can't you just park it in a garage, then strip it and measure from there?

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#48166

CSM84 doorway ? | 5 March, 2007

I will have to rent a forklift to get it off the truck. If I don't cut the wall first, then the machine sits in the garage while the rental is ticking away at $200+ a day. Also, moving it twice doubles the possibility of a catastrophe. I've got some pretty good info now on the model, and it sure is wide.

Thanks,

Jon

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#48242

CSM84 doorway ? | 8 March, 2007

I have 3 CSM 84's with mutiple feeders that I would like to sell if anyone is looking? Please email me (Mike) at mike.henry@pulse.com.

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