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i-PULSE placement systems

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#44087

i-PULSE placement systems | 21 September, 2006

Does anyone on this forum has experience with any of i-PULSE SMD placement systems? I am looking at the M4e.

Also, can someone advise me on what to choose if the desired final circuit is of very high density and small pitch (0.5mm)?

I am considering i-PULSE M4e, Juki's R series 2060R/2055R, Siemens Siplace-CF, Assembleon's AX-201/MG-1/Topaz-XII, Eruoplacer Flexys10, and ESSEMTECH Hylx.

Also, can someone comment on my list of choices? Should I consider more equipment and drop other from my list?

We don't have prior experience in purchasing SMT equipment and we need something that is flexible, reliable, easy to maintaine, high accuracy, econmical, and able to place just about anything. I already know that some of my choices does not give me all that I want. However, there are many more companies that provide SMD pick and place machines, Panasonic, Fuji, etc. There are so many out there. I wish that someone else other than us give us genuine experience and help us out. It is a big world out there!

Thanks you guys,

Basem

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Rob

#44090

i-PULSE placement systems | 22 September, 2006

Hi Basem,

We are seeing a lot of our customers buying M2's & M4E's, and they are very happy with them. These are intellegent, profitable & well informed CEMs in the main, and for the money there is nothing else new that competes.

Depending on where you are in the world I would also look at Samsung & the small Fuji's & Universal platforms.

If you really have very little experience in SMT then Mydata is a good place to start as they are very easy to use and upgrade, just not particularly fast & super accurate in reality.

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#44092

i-PULSE placement systems | 22 September, 2006

We choose i-PULSE as our#1. However, we have concerns in regards to maintainance, reliability, and accuracy.

High density, small form factor, and high performance products. If you think the M4Es can do the job for us, then let us know.

Thanks,

Basem

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Rob

#44095

i-PULSE placement systems | 22 September, 2006

Hi Basem,

The people I know are placing BGAs & down to 0201 with no problems.

However the best thing for you to do is get them to demostrate placing your component range, and if you go ahead, draw up a machine acceptance document to form part of the purchase order so you can evaluate if everything matches their promises.

Also ask for reference sites from the supplier and go and talk to the engineers.

Support in very good here in the UK (Blundells) however I do not know what it is like where you are.

Cheers,

Rob.

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#44096

i-PULSE placement systems | 22 September, 2006

Thanks Rob. Our concern is placing tiny components side by side at a minimum pitch, along with fairly large BGAs and TSOP2, which are themselves, having small to fine pitch leads.

yes, accuracy in placement in our application is crucial, yet, what is more of a concern, is the ability to place at high speed and high density.

I was thinking of Juki's 2060R, it has self calibration and high-density placement mode. In anycase, i-PULSE is one of the lowest-costs machines.

We are in Damascus, Syria.

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Rob

#44098

i-PULSE placement systems | 22 September, 2006

Hi, you want something that will not break down, and something not American then. I would look at the Fuji XP-143E (if you are not going bigger than 20mm x 20mm) or the Juki then.

Also I would look at what they are predominately using in Turkey, as with the present political climate the posibility of sanctions cannot be totally ruled out.

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#44099

i-PULSE placement systems | 22 September, 2006

Hi Rob. Thanks. Political situation is a true problem, but not a major limitation. I never considered any American equipment for that matter.

In any case, please give me your critical situation on the Jukis. Juki is relatively young in this business.

Thanks Rob,

Basem

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Rob

#44103

i-PULSE placement systems | 22 September, 2006

Hi Basem,

Juki have been around a long time - at least 15 years (formally branded Zevatech in Europe) & have a very large instal base. Their machines are good quality, but a little pricey. I have seen a number of them working with no problems in Tunisia which has a rather similar climate to Syria.

However, the 2055 is not a better machine than Fuji XP. The 2060R although gives you a wider placement range which may help you.

They are also accurate & repeatable. If they were similar money to the Fjui's I would go with Fuji every time.

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#44108

i-PULSE placement systems | 22 September, 2006

Then Fuji it is. I'm happy with the features the Juki's R seriers are giving out. It is like, everything I could think of a placement machine if I would design one for myself...the 2060R is something I would buy happily...especially after you telling me that the company is not that young.

The problem with the Fuji's is that I'm having hard time getting information on them. I emailed several times and now planning to fax them. Their website is rather poor on technical information on their SMT robots.

One very last thing you can help me with Rob, tell me where and whom I should be contacting to get information and pricing on the Fuji's stuff. I really do wish to learn about their placment equipment and I can't seem been able to get enough information on them.

Thanks Rob, you have no idea how much of a help you are to me, the man responsible for getting the right machines. I hope humanity one day realizes that there is no need for conflict...there is much we don't know about...look up the sky...do you think we pitful humans know everything in space? I almost feel ashamed infront of any Aliens that could be wathcing how stupid we are killing each other while them flying around in space looking down to us and say "look at them...I think it will be all over before they get to know us..."

Thanks for the help Rob. I have no clue whom you are, but thanks much. Please tell me where I should go to inquire about the Fujis... :-)

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Rob

#44109

i-PULSE placement systems | 22 September, 2006

Hi Basem,

I would try Fuji Germany - email: ma.sugiura@fuji-euro.de

I don't know about aliens, but lets hope our leaders can learn to think and act responsibly towards each other.

No worries & good luck,

Rob.

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Bill

#44120

i-PULSE placement systems | 22 September, 2006

Oh, please, give me a freaking break!!!!! Can't you keep politics out of this forum. Not the Brit. What they use in Turkey and Tunisia- yeah, those two technical hot beds, they know electronics like I know making a carpet. Syria- you should be next for regime change. Freedom, hopefully you'll know what that means some day.

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#44124

i-PULSE placement systems | 22 September, 2006

Thanks Rob, thanks much. Bill, take it easy. You have a well controlled image (considering the brain-washing machine of the American media) of Syria that is fairly wrong. I lived in the US for six continous years and I really know what I am talking about.

Have ever considered visiting Syria? I moved to Damascus not too long ago and you are welcome to visit. Please send me an email or leave me a message over here. All you have to pay for is your ticket and I'll take of the rest.

You are most welcome to Damascus and I hope one day that image that you have about Syria and what the Syrian ought to be doing...is somewhat changed.

I'm serious about my invitation...really.

Regards,

Basem PS: Rob, of-course, you are most welcome to join Bill and stop by too...it will be great!

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Rob

#44136

i-PULSE placement systems | 25 September, 2006

Bill, you are an idiot.

Turkey is a major training partner of Syria and also borders Syria. Turkey has also become a major force in electronics production producing an enormous qauntity of consumer goods (TV's, Fridges, Radios etc.) for the european market. Turkey exported $6.8 Billion of electronics goods in the first 8 months of this year, 70% to Europe. That is why it is relevant.

Tunisia also has pockets of electronics manufacturing and has a similar climate, the factories I know use the same machines our colleague was looking at.

I'm all for leaving politics out of this too, except where relevant to discuss such as RoHS & WEEE.

BTW how many carpets do you make a year then?

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