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Upgrading to less obsolete equipment.

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#43483

Upgrading to less obsolete equipment. | 22 August, 2006

We are a low volume (100k-150k parts per month) high mix shop that is equipped with a couple of Quad IVc's.

The machines meet our overall capacity needs but can not give us the quick turns we need if we get hit with multiple large setups at once.

A local guy has a QSA30 and a Mydata TP9 he's getting rid of (both alledgedly working fine when last used). Given the situation we have with Quads in house, feeder compatibility, support availability, learning curves, etc., which machine would YOU look at most seriously?

Steve (who is seriously missing the MSHII's and MPA from my last job)

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bobpan

#43485

Upgrading to less obsolete equipment. | 22 August, 2006

Just to comment on the quad equipment side......The QSA-30 is also obsolete but you can use the same feeders on it as the 4c. The setup time would be the same but the speed is quicker (i think around 10k cph). If I were in your shoes....i think i would go for a different type of machine.

good luck, Bob

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Chunks

#43486

Upgrading to less obsolete equipment. | 22 August, 2006

Can you afford or have room for the TP9 as well? Bobpan is right about the Quad, just commit, but the TP9 may off you more relief as well. They too are good machines, easy to learn and set-up.

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#43490

Upgrading to less obsolete equipment. | 22 August, 2006

As far as room goes, I have to talk my boss into getting rid of some other crap around here before looking at the Mydata. The room is there, it's just occupied by stuff we NEVER use.

My understanding of the TP-9 is that it's considered flexible but not particularly speedy (I haven't worked with Mydatas at all). Is it going to be faster than, say, two IVc's? Also, does Mydata support it completely or am I going to run into the same problems getting parts for it that I may with the QSA?

I need to get over there and look at them both, and find out what they're offering as far as feeders. He's not using Quads at all so it'll probably come with some feeders, but he still uses Mydatas which as I understand it all use the same feeders. Correct?

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#43491

Upgrading to less obsolete equipment. | 22 August, 2006

I'm disappointed, Bob. I thought you'd be singing praises. ;)

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#43496

Upgrading to less obsolete equipment. | 22 August, 2006

Steve,

Be careful with that TP-9.......... Mydata will support the machine (as long as you pay a registration fee, I believe), but no support for real old software versions.

Make SURE it has at least software version 1.6 or above. If not, the magazines with a "Blue Button" on them (which most have these days) will not work with 1.5 software or below (well, with-out modifications to the magazine circuits). To upgrade the TP-9 with newer versions of software can be costly, sometimes requiring a COMPLETE CPU upgrade as well ($25k and up).

We have a TP-9, and yea, it's slow, but so ain't I. I think it's a trade off for faster start-ups though.

Paul M.

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bobpan

#43504

Upgrading to less obsolete equipment. | 23 August, 2006

No Steve, Having the chance to work with newer equipment and 'latest and greatest' technology opens your eyes to older 'dated' machines limitations. If your growing and you may be going towards 0402's and even 0603's.......its better to upgrade and improve your equipment. Everything nowadays have improved feeder repeatability and ease of loading that changeover and mispicks are greatly reduced. Also the machines are 'easier' to calibrate and maintain.

P.S. Now you know i can get a QUAD to stack 3 0402 parts on top of each other........without a blink of the eye......hahhaahahaha

Good Luck Bob

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#43505

Upgrading to less obsolete equipment. | 23 August, 2006

Hi Steve,

Dynatech will provide parts and support for all Samsung manufactured machines, including the QSA-30. You're welcome to contact us prior to making a decision to discuss the machine history, parts availability, etc.

Mike Foster Dynatech mike.foster@DynatechSMT.com

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