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Laser Depaneling / Routing

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Chunks

#41752

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 24 May, 2006

Any one use/experiment with one? Seems like a great idea, so I was wondering about the pitfalls.

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two cents

#41753

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 24 May, 2006

the cost

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#41759

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 24 May, 2006

Yet another example of narrow focus. "What's the best and latest machine out there, and should I use a technology that's been around for decades." Wrong approach there, Chunks! Think outside the box.

My firm, Worldtronics Consultancy Services, Inc. (WCS, Inc), has a materials division which is making a new PCB material, very similar to FR4, composite material, which will breakaway and depanel overnight after exposure to reflow temperatures.

This will revolutionize electronic assembly as we know it. Too many narrow minds on this forum! Watch out for us - WCS, Inc. We're about to go public soon, so be on the lookout for our IPO's.

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Chunks

#41782

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 25 May, 2006

My my my, where do I go with this?!?!? SMT Guru Expert Superior Process God, I agree with you about "thinking outside the box". We do that at my facility everyday. But there are times when you need to "jump thru hoops". It's a fine balance in contract manufacturing. The one thing I cannot risk is the quality of product, my reputation, and business in general on far fetched ideas like yours.

A board that breaks away by itself just from heat? That is a great idea that many of us have had years ago. OK, you say I should go in this direction. The only flaw here is there is no such thing. Now, I still need to build product and use a router cut off breakaways TODAY. I could agree with you if your product were indeed true, available, and accepted in the industry; and if I continued to use the primitive FR-4 material and a router. Unfortunately, I cannot place components on an idea. Call me old fashion, but I still need a board or flex circuit to mount parts on. Until you actually invent this "flubber board", please keep your little insults to yourself. Didn't you say good bye last week?

Back to reality: Sorry forum folk, I apologize for my little rant. Ask a simple question and I get Fantasy Island. Besides cost, does anyone know if this really works successfully? I�ve used laser in the past for selective solder and know that they can be a beast to tame. I just wonder is a laser on FR-4 would create a lot of ozone?

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bobpan

#41789

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 25 May, 2006

hahahaha....wow....chunks....thats a good old fashioned response to a guru expert......How can you get away with that????.......hahahahaha

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Chunks

#41794

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 25 May, 2006

Common sense. Something most self proclaimed experts never have.

Will Earl ever leave?

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two cents

#41802

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 25 May, 2006

Hey guru, Whats your version of an IPO? (Idiotic Process Options)Sounds like your head got stuck in that reflow oven when your company suggested that you keep an eye on those newfangled materials

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#41810

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 25 May, 2006

OMG! I have to admit that you are awesome in your replies! I've shared your wisdom with my peers and we've decided to turn your coments into a game where we bet on the next very interesting thing that you post. Some of your posts have put my buddies on the ground laughing their guts out! Please post more as I've actually won a couple of bucks! I've got to admit it is good to win. Keep up the posts. Jay

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#41825

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 26 May, 2006

JBrower,

I enjoy this "guru's" posts too. Is that what you meant - that you're awaiting what "the guru" says next?

Whatever happened to.... WML & Moonman?

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Chunks

#41830

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 26 May, 2006

I hope so, my reply wasn't that funny. Although my new process of boards that grow their own parts by exposing them to B.S. has been so successful that we no longer need breakaways. They all totally green since they are organinc as well!

P.S.

Moonman IS Guru.

WML, we need you!

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#41838

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 26 May, 2006

I am absolutely awaiting his next reply. This guy is making me money, so I hope he continues dispensing his wisdom. I'm not sure where WML or Moonman are, heck I'd like to make money of them too. Jay

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#41846

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 26 May, 2006

Contact these guys, its a freaking laser man!

http://www.lpkfusa.com/microline/350ci.htm

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Chunks

#41851

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 26 May, 2006

Thanks Pete,

I wish every video for each piece of I bought went as smooth right after recieving it. That's why I always try and ask current users about things to avoid or options to buy. I'm sure their sales guy will tell me everything (add joke here), but it never hurts to ask others about their experiences.

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#41855

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 26 May, 2006

Chunks,

FYI: I don't sell them. I sell the mechanical type from Cencorp. I just know about LPKF's machine. They should be able to give you the info you're looking for.

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dseif

#42244

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 16 June, 2006

I agree with "Two Cents" that the initial cost is very high, however, we may be able to justify with savings associated with improved layouts (high volume mfg)... so I am also looking into laser depaneling at this time. I have stumbled upon three companies that are involved with laser depaneling LPKF, Tyco and Asys. If you google "laser depaneling", you'll find all their spec sheets. I have had very little experience with laser technology and am also looking for "gotcha's". Chunks, please let me know what you find out or if you'd like to discuss the process. dseif@yahoo.com

SMT Guru: interesting idea... not sure how that would work... not ready for it... no offense intended.

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WAH

#44717

Laser Depaneling / Routing | 26 October, 2006

As R&D project leader I have worked at FICO on this issue the last years. Maybe you have found the info you are looking for but for laser cutting are more companies involved than the three you found, the experience I have with laser cutting for PCB panels is: As already mentioned the savings on the board material are very interesting; in the same panel our customer could place 20 components instead of 12 as for the depaneling router, due the fact of the small cutting line. It is a dry process and the output and accuracy are higher. For this process we achieve a product quality within � 50 �m and no pollution on the cutting edge.

tonny.hennekes@trim-form.fico.nl

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