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Our company is in the process of acquiring an AOI machine. ... - Dec 05, 2003 by

If your operation is hi-mix low-volume, consider taking a lo... - Dec 05, 2003 by PeteC

Mirtek ... - Dec 05, 2003 by Steve Baker

> Our company is in the process of acquiring an AOI ... - Dec 09, 2003 by Vadim

Your question is too broad.Tell us what your plans are for t... - Dec 09, 2003 by LarryK

> If your operation is hi-mix low-volume, consider >... - Dec 10, 2003 by

Hello, EL. The name of our company is Orbotech (not Obertec... - Dec 15, 2003 by Vadim

Take a good look at Yestech. The in-line machines are under ... - Dec 17, 2003 by adlsmt

Carl, Apparently the folks using them don't participate i... - Dec 17, 2003 by PeteC

Our company are in the hi-mix low volume OEM factory. We nee... - Feb 11, 2004 by

We also have a benchtop by Mirtec and we are very satisfied.... - Feb 12, 2004 by

Hi What do you think about benchtop AOI from Marantz 22fx?... - Feb 12, 2004 by

Technicly Marantz and the Mirtec are almost the same. But th... - Feb 12, 2004 by

Depends a lot on what you want to solve. Very low volume co... - Feb 14, 2004 by

Hi Carl, We have several Mirtec MV2BTLs. We had done an e... - Feb 16, 2004 by Christopher Lampron

We also have an older Viscom inline. It was complicated at f... - Jun 10, 2004 by

#26509

AOI | 5 December, 2003

Our company is in the process of acquiring an AOI machine.

Any recommendation as to what type? Does anyone have any evaluation report to share with me?

MVP, OBERTECH, CRT, MVT, ETC.

THANKS, EL

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PeteC

#26513

AOI | 5 December, 2003

If your operation is hi-mix low-volume, consider taking a look at some of the bench-top units out there. They are lower cost but can give similar performance as higher cost in-line systems. Some of the bench-tops cannot do solder fillet inspections though.

www.testronics.com www.mirtec.com www.christopherweb.com http://oeiweb.omron.com/Products-PCBSys.shtm www.qualectron.com

Some of the bench-top AOI vendors have an upgrade path to their in-line systems whereby all the programs created for the bench-top will run in the in-line. From my experience there are three main criteria for AOI equipment evaluation- software- lighting- software. Good cameras and programmable LED lighting are common these days. You'll find the differentiator is software. The nice thing about the bench-tops is that its easy to get a demo in the comfort of your own facility. If in-line is your need, here are some others to look at:

www.vitechnology.com www.viscom.de www.vectroninc.com www.yestechinc.com (ex CR Tech people)

It is highly recommended to evaluate any system with your products and get some "test driving" time. Good luck!

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Steve Baker

#26514

AOI | 5 December, 2003

Mirtek

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Vadim

#26539

AOI | 9 December, 2003

> Our company is in the process of acquiring an AOI
> machine.
>
> Any recommendation as to what type?
> Does anyone have any evaluation report to share
> with me?
>
> MVP, OBERTECH, CRT, MVT,
> ETC.
>
> THANKS, EL

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LarryK

#26544

AOI | 9 December, 2003

Your question is too broad.Tell us what your plans are for this AOI. Examples; pre or post reflow, Component inspection, solder inspection, throughput rate?

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Carl

#26558

AOI | 10 December, 2003

> If your operation is hi-mix low-volume, consider > taking a look at some of the bench-top units out > there. They are lower cost but can give similar > performance as higher cost in-line systems. Some > of the bench-tops cannot do solder fillet > inspections > though. > > http://www.testronics.com http://www.mirtec.com www > .christopherweb.com _a class=roll > href="http://oeiweb.omron.com/Products-PCBSys.shtm > " > target="_blank"_http://oeiweb.omron.com/Products-P > CBSys.shtm _/a_ http://www.qualectron.com > > Some of > the bench-top AOI vendors have an upgrade path to > their in-line systems whereby all the programs > created for the bench-top will run in the > in-line. From my experience there are three main > criteria for AOI equipment evaluation- software- > lighting- software. Good cameras and > programmable LED lighting are common these days. > You'll find the differentiator is software. The > nice thing about the bench-tops is that its easy > to get a demo in the comfort of your own > facility. If in-line is your need, here are some > others to look > at: > > http://www.vitechnology.com http://www.viscom.de http://www.ve > ctroninc.com http://www.yestechinc.com (ex CR Tech > people) > > It is highly recommended to evaluate > any system with your products and get some "test > driving" time. Good luck!

Pete,

This was a nice listing of benchtop systems. Anyone using any of these for production care to comment on strengths and weaknesses?

Thanks.

Carl

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Vadim

#26600

AOI | 15 December, 2003

Hello, EL. The name of our company is Orbotech (not Obertech). You can visit our web site http://www.orbotech.com for more information. Regards.

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adlsmt

#26654

AOI | 17 December, 2003

Take a good look at Yestech. The in-line machines are under $100K with off line software. I think about $80K if you dont need side cameras. We replaced our Agilent SJ-10 with one and have been very happy with it. Last I knew the good benchtops out there were around 60K and the good inlines upwards of 150K.

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PeteC

#26657

AOI | 17 December, 2003

Carl,

Apparently the folks using them don't participate in this forum. In my territory there are about fifteen companies that use them.

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#27216

AOI | 11 February, 2004

Our company are in the hi-mix low volume OEM factory. We need an AOI machine that is dependable, accurate, user intuitive, ability to detect any defects we specify, and meet our budget.

I appreciate all your input as to what type of AOI are out there. I am still in the process "test driving various AOI machine". and so far 2 AOI machine failed to meet our needs.

Thanks, EL

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#27217

AOI | 11 February, 2004

Our company are in the hi-mix low volume OEM factory. We need an AOI machine that is dependable, accurate, user intuitive, ability to detect any defects we specify, and meet our budget.

I appreciate all your input as to what type of AOI are out there. I am still in the process "test driving various AOI machine". and so far 2 AOI machine failed to meet our needs.

Thanks, EL

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Roel

#27221

AOI | 12 February, 2004

We also have a benchtop by Mirtec and we are very satisfied. We also have an inline machine by Viscom.

I do recommend look at a benchtop.

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Andrea

#27222

AOI | 12 February, 2004

Hi What do you think about benchtop AOI from Marantz 22fx?> Does anyone compare in real Mirtec and Marantz>?? What was the score?

Andrea

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#27225

AOI | 12 February, 2004

Technicly Marantz and the Mirtec are almost the same. But the software of Mirtec is easier to use and has some extra's.

We had both and choose for the Mirtec.

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Larry

#27267

AOI | 14 February, 2004

Depends a lot on what you want to solve. Very low volume conformation of componpents down to legends, process control or inspection of assembly.

Biggest problem is they are resource hogs. Most require constant attention. Any change in component supplier or process will result in a change at the AOI machine. Those last minute part substitutins will show up at AOI. The purpose of the machine is detect change and that is one it may detect.

If you can stick with them and learn their limitations they will pay off. As a process they are more like a wave solder machine than a placement machine.

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Christopher Lampron

#27281

AOI | 16 February, 2004

Hi Carl,

We have several Mirtec MV2BTLs. We had done an extensive evaluation on tabletop systems only, as we did not have the available real estate to add an inline. We are using the system to verify value (when visible) orientation, presence/absents and solder bridges. We have just started implementing the new software and are starting to add solder inspection. We do all 1st pc. inspections of repeat jobs and 100% post reflow inspection and are experiencing very good results.

Please feel free to E-Mail me if you would like to discuss this further.

P.S. I do not work for Mirtec so this is not a sales pitch.

Good Luck

Christopher Lampron

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Steve

#29041

AOI | 10 June, 2004

We also have an older Viscom inline. It was complicated at first, but with the upgraded software package implemented in October, it has become quite effective. We use it to detect ID, orientation, solder inspections. So far, we have been happy with it.

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