I'm baaack!

Jeez,

I just about had a fine Mexico thing going, or was that in my dreams? Probably, but thanks for the future X possibility.

OK! Let's keep this thing technical. Let us not dwell on the emotionally charged moment of my return. However, thanks to you all for your kindness not to me, but to yourselves. You did the right thing resisting the urge to join - WHAT?

With all due respect to Cunli, we are the SMTNet. Cunli, you provide the tools, equipment, and (dare I say it) the stage for all you "stars" who make the forum possible.

Just as I don't want to run or manage anything (I have trouble enough with my life), I respect those who do this well and recognize we all have a place and purpose. Mine is to provide sketchy information from time to time and reap the benefits of so much more information not even a short time ago available.

Anyway thanks, but no thanks as we're all in this thing together. Not one of us can do without the other.

Technically speaking, there is nothing for me to say. Oh maybe just one thing - to get me back into the fray: Steve, I must say I totally disagree with your assessment of under screen cleaners. I have had nothing but excellent results using the dry, vacuum, wet, vaccuum programmable capability on our DEK's for over two years.

How's that for a hard hitting return? Steve, I had to single you out for the way you roasted that advertising pig scumbag, etc. etc. etc. etc. Jeez, I'm stuck, but my underscreen cleaner works just fine even though it's attached to a 1/4 million dollar machine.

Hell, you asked for it. I'm baaack.

Moonman

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| Jeez, | | I just about had a fine Mexico thing going, or was that in my dreams? Probably, but thanks for the future X possibility. | | OK! Let's keep this thing technical. Let us not dwell on the emotionally charged moment of my return. However, thanks to you all for your kindness not to me, but to yourselves. You did the right thing resisting the urge to join - WHAT? | | With all due respect to Cunli, we are the SMTNet. Cunli, you provide the tools, equipment, and (dare I say it) the stage for all you "stars" who make the forum possible. | | Just as I don't want to run or manage anything (I have trouble enough with my life), I respect those who do this well and recognize we all have a place and purpose. Mine is to provide sketchy information from time to time and reap the benefits of so much more information not even a short time ago available. | | Anyway thanks, but no thanks as we're all in this thing together. Not one of us can do without the other. | | Technically speaking, there is nothing for me to say. Oh maybe just one thing - to get me back into the fray: Steve, I must say I totally disagree with your assessment of under screen cleaners. I have had nothing but excellent results using the dry, vacuum, wet, vaccuum programmable capability on our DEK's for over two years. | | How's that for a hard hitting return? Steve, I had to single you out for the way you roasted that advertising pig scumbag, etc. etc. etc. etc. Jeez, I'm stuck, but my underscreen cleaner works just fine even though it's attached to a 1/4 million dollar machine. | | Hell, you asked for it. I'm baaack. | | Moonman |

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| | Jeez, | | | | I just about had a fine Mexico thing going, or was that in my dreams? Probably, but thanks for the future X possibility. | | | | OK! Let's keep this thing technical. Let us not dwell on the emotionally charged moment of my return. However, thanks to you all for your kindness not to me, but to yourselves. You did the right thing resisting the urge to join - WHAT? | | | | With all due respect to Cunli, we are the SMTNet. Cunli, you provide the tools, equipment, and (dare I say it) the stage for all you "stars" who make the forum possible. | | | | Just as I don't want to run or manage anything (I have trouble enough with my life), I respect those who do this well and recognize we all have a place and purpose. Mine is to provide sketchy information from time to time and reap the benefits of so much more information not even a short time ago available. | | | | Anyway thanks, but no thanks as we're all in this thing together. Not one of us can do without the other. | | | | Technically speaking, there is nothing for me to say. Oh maybe just one thing - to get me back into the fray: Steve, I must say I totally disagree with your assessment of under screen cleaners. I have had nothing but excellent results using the dry, vacuum, wet, vaccuum programmable capability on our DEK's for over two years. | | | | How's that for a hard hitting return? Steve, I had to single you out for the way you roasted that advertising pig scumbag, etc. etc. etc. etc. Jeez, I'm stuck, but my underscreen cleaner works just fine even though it's attached to a 1/4 million dollar machine. | | | | Hell, you asked for it. I'm baaack. | | | | Moonman | | | |

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| Jeez, | | I just about had a fine Mexico thing going, or was that in my dreams? Probably, but thanks for the future X possibility. Steve, I must say I totally disagree with your assessment of under screen cleaners. I have had nothing but excellent results using the dry, vacuum, wet, vaccuum programmable capability on our DEK's for over two years.

First,

Glad to see you've joined the forum again, Earl. I always felt you contributed a great deal. As you are aware, I felt strongly that it is folks like yourself who truly add value to this venue.

Although my work schedule (travel) does not allow me to contribute as I once did.........I still read your responses and posts.

Second..... I'm in Earl's corner, and with another brand of printer. I used the dry wipe / vacuum system on an MPM UP3000 for over three years, in combo with a stencil cleaner at the end of a job......great results.

Scott Cook

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| Jeez, | | I just about had a fine Mexico thing going, or was that in my dreams? Probably, but thanks for the future X possibility. | | OK! Let's keep this thing technical. Let us not dwell on the emotionally charged moment of my return. However, thanks to you all for your kindness not to me, but to yourselves. You did the right thing resisting the urge to join - WHAT? | | With all due respect to Cunli, we are the SMTNet. Cunli, you provide the tools, equipment, and (dare I say it) the stage for all you "stars" who make the forum possible. | | Just as I don't want to run or manage anything (I have trouble enough with my life), I respect those who do this well and recognize we all have a place and purpose. Mine is to provide sketchy information from time to time and reap the benefits of so much more information not even a short time ago available. | | Anyway thanks, but no thanks as we're all in this thing together. Not one of us can do without the other. | | Technically speaking, there is nothing for me to say. Oh maybe just one thing - to get me back into the fray: Steve, I must say I totally disagree with your assessment of under screen cleaners. I have had nothing but excellent results using the dry, vacuum, wet, vaccuum programmable capability on our DEK's for over two years. | | How's that for a hard hitting return? Steve, I had to single you out for the way you roasted that advertising pig scumbag, etc. etc. etc. etc. Jeez, I'm stuck, but my underscreen cleaner works just fine even though it's attached to a 1/4 million dollar machine. | | Hell, you asked for it. I'm baaack. | | Moonman | Earl, You are so lucky! I have been down loading all 540 of your past threads and was gonna use them like a Max Headroom thing. I Figured at some point you would catch on and come back to save some, some, some, face. hehe, It would have been cool since you darn near awnsered everyones questions. Earl, it's great to have you back !.........................Jeff

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| Jeez, | | I just about had a fine Mexico thing going, or was that in my dreams? Probably, but thanks for the future X possibility. | | OK! Let's keep this thing technical. Let us not dwell on the emotionally charged moment of my return. However, thanks to you all for your kindness not to me, but to yourselves. You did the right thing resisting the urge to join - WHAT? | | With all due respect to Cunli, we are the SMTNet. Cunli, you provide the tools, equipment, and (dare I say it) the stage for all you "stars" who make the forum possible. | | Just as I don't want to run or manage anything (I have trouble enough with my life), I respect those who do this well and recognize we all have a place and purpose. Mine is to provide sketchy information from time to time and reap the benefits of so much more information not even a short time ago available. | | Anyway thanks, but no thanks as we're all in this thing together. Not one of us can do without the other. | | Technically speaking, there is nothing for me to say. Oh maybe just one thing - to get me back into the fray: Steve, I must say I totally disagree with your assessment of under screen cleaners. I have had nothing but excellent results using the dry, vacuum, wet, vaccuum programmable capability on our DEK's for over two years. | | How's that for a hard hitting return? Steve, I had to single you out for the way you roasted that advertising pig scumbag, etc. etc. etc. etc. Jeez, I'm stuck, but my underscreen cleaner works just fine even though it's attached to a 1/4 million dollar machine. | | Hell, you asked for it. I'm baaack. | | Moonman | Not only are you back, but you're fueling the fire already, huh? I have the MPM UP3000 with the wipe cycle and I think it's great, so there's my two cents. But for over 1/4 million dollars, you'd think the thing could put it's own support pins back, wouldn't ya?

Good to have you back, MoonMan.

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| Jeez, | | I just about had a fine Mexico thing going, or was that in my dreams? Probably, but thanks for the future X possibility. | | OK! Let's keep this thing technical. Let us not dwell on the emotionally charged moment of my return. However, thanks to you all for your kindness not to me, but to yourselves. You did the right thing resisting the urge to join - WHAT? |

Good to have you back, Earl....and to think, i nearly jumped ship to IPC's Technet because of all this registration business!!

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| Jeez, | | I just about had a fine Mexico thing going, or was that in my dreams? Probably, but thanks for the future X possibility. | | OK! Let's keep this thing technical. Let us not dwell on the emotionally charged moment of my return. However, thanks to you all for your kindness not to me, but to yourselves. You did the right thing resisting the urge to join - WHAT? | | With all due respect to Cunli, we are the SMTNet. Cunli, you provide the tools, equipment, and (dare I say it) the stage for all you "stars" who make the forum possible. | | Just as I don't want to run or manage anything (I have trouble enough with my life), I respect those who do this well and recognize we all have a place and purpose. Mine is to provide sketchy information from time to time and reap the benefits of so much more information not even a short time ago available. | | Anyway thanks, but no thanks as we're all in this thing together. Not one of us can do without the other. | | Technically speaking, there is nothing for me to say. Oh maybe just one thing - to get me back into the fray: Steve, I must say I totally disagree with your assessment of under screen cleaners. I have had nothing but excellent results using the dry, vacuum, wet, vaccuum programmable capability on our DEK's for over two years. | | How's that for a hard hitting return? Steve, I had to single you out for the way you roasted that advertising pig scumbag, etc. etc. etc. etc. Jeez, I'm stuck, but my underscreen cleaner works just fine even though it's attached to a 1/4 million dollar machine. | | Hell, you asked for it. I'm baaack. | | Moonman | Puss. Missed us, huh? I'm pretty fond of my R2-D2 unit on the back of my DEK. Works great. Glad you stuck around.

J

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Technically speaking, there is nothing for me to say. Oh maybe just one thing - to get me back into the fray: Steve, I must say I totally disagree with your assessment of under screen cleaners. I have had nothing but excellent results using the dry, vacuum, wet, vaccuum programmable capability on our DEK's for over two years. | | How's that for a hard hitting return? Steve, I had to single you out for the way you roasted that advertising pig scumbag, etc. etc. etc. etc. Jeez, I'm stuck, but my underscreen cleaner works just fine even though it's attached to a 1/4 million dollar machine. | | Hell, you asked for it. I'm baaack. | | Moonman

Hey ya' Moonman!

Glad to see you back. But geeze, why did ya' hafta start pickin' on me? (GRIN) Anyhoo, 'bout them roll type screen cleaners. Lemme' expand on that a little more. The screen printers I was using back at the time when I was working for Smart Modular Technolgies were DEK's...I've been a DEK user for years.

In fact, at another company who's no longer around (Comptronix) we had bought the 3rd or 4th DEK-265 ever sold in the US. That was back before DEK and Universal teamed up. Back then, the roll type stencil cleaner was just that, a roll of cleaning paper, a tube in which to wet a section of the paper, and a rubber squeegee which held the paper against the back of the stencil. No fancy smancy vacuum sucking squeegee like they put on them now. Those DO work, provided they're operated like they're intended and with the correct materials (paper, solvents, ect.) that are supposed to used...more on that later. Ya'll can get a chuckle 'bout what I had to deal with.

Now, where I work, and you know I'm at a start-up, we don't have the kind of money for those whiz-bang printers ya'll have. I just got me a lil' ol MPM SPM-AV...(sniff, sniff...you guys got all the fun toys!). Don't get me wrong, my lil' ol' SPM can print a tatoo on a gnats butt, but she ain't got no fancy smancy sucking squeegee stencil cleaner, just a roll o' paper...and it won't clean my fine pitch apertures. I still gotta' do that manually.

But back to the problems I had with my DEK at Smart Modular...that's where I had all the gold finger problems. I don't work there anymore, so I don't care about what I'm about to say (I've never been one with a lot of tact, I say what I feel and it's always the truth)...and things may have changed since I was there, but this what things were like when I was there.

You would think that a company that is as successfull and makes the kind of money that Smart does, there wouldn't be any problems about buying the consumables and whatnot that you needed on the production floor. Not so, for instance the paper used in the DEK cleaners...that was TOO expensive. Had to find something cheaper.

In order for the vacuum to work the way that it should, the paper must be of a specific weave density in order for the vacuum pressure to flow through the paper and suck the paste onto it. But do you think the buyers know that? Or even take the time to ask me? Hell no. Not only that, but they didn't even buy the right width.

There was one time they bought paper that was too narrow and I just happened to be helping out the operators with changing over a line, and I pull the old stencil out to put the new job stencil in, and I notice that there's water dripping from the bottom of the old stencil. I look inside the printer and see all this water all over!

The moistening tube was acting like a sprinkler squirting water all over the place because there was no paper over the openings as the buyers bought the wrong sized paper! I was really suprized that the water didn't wind-up getting inside the electronics and frying the printer! We were lucky! All to save a few dollars on the paper...sheesh!

Sometimes the operators would even reuse the paper after the roll had run out. They would take the roll from used side and put it right back on the printer...bet ya can guess what happened then huh? They would do this because they were too lazy to walk back to the stockroom and get a new roll. They ran 3-shifts there and I couldn't stay there 24-hours a day to look over their shoulders to make sure they did their jobs right. But even if they had enough initative to go back and get some new paper, they would have the wrong paper anyway, was like on Star Trek, the Kobiyashi Maru scenario, the "no-win scenario".

So you can figure out why I'm not employed there anymore. Felt like all I was doing was getting paid to get my butt-kicked. But that's life in a memory company...quick and dirty...whatever it takes even if it's wrong.

Sorry 'bout going on like this...but maybe ya'll can learn something from my mistakes. Use the correct paper, and make sure you have it available for your operators. But I still say that just regular ol' roll type paper cleaners are only good for 50-mil...

-Steve Gregory-

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| Jeez, | | I just about had a fine Mexico thing going, or was that in my dreams? Probably, but thanks for the future X possibility. | | OK! Let's keep this thing technical. Let us not dwell on the emotionally charged moment of my return. However, thanks to you all for your kindness not to me, but to yourselves. You did the right thing resisting the urge to join - WHAT? | | With all due respect to Cunli, we are the SMTNet. Cunli, you provide the tools, equipment, and (dare I say it) the stage for all you "stars" who make the forum possible. | | Just as I don't want to run or manage anything (I have trouble enough with my life), I respect those who do this well and recognize we all have a place and purpose. Mine is to provide sketchy information from time to time and reap the benefits of so much more information not even a short time ago available. | | Anyway thanks, but no thanks as we're all in this thing together. Not one of us can do without the other. | | Technically speaking, there is nothing for me to say. Oh maybe just one thing - to get me back into the fray: Steve, I must say I totally disagree with your assessment of under screen cleaners. I have had nothing but excellent results using the dry, vacuum, wet, vaccuum programmable capability on our DEK's for over two years. | | How's that for a hard hitting return? Steve, I had to single you out for the way you roasted that advertising pig scumbag, etc. etc. etc. etc. Jeez, I'm stuck, but my underscreen cleaner works just fine even though it's attached to a 1/4 million dollar machine. | | Hell, you asked for it. I'm baaack. | | Moonman | It's about time, I was starting to get worried that maybe you really did go to Mexico! GOOD to have you back Moonman.

B.K.

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| Technically speaking, there is nothing for me to say. Oh maybe just one thing - to get me back into the fray: Steve, I must say I totally disagree with your assessment of under screen cleaners. I have had nothing but excellent results using the dry, vacuum, wet, vaccuum programmable capability on our DEK's for over two years. | | | | How's that for a hard hitting return? Steve, I had to single you out for the way you roasted that advertising pig scumbag, etc. etc. etc. etc. Jeez, I'm stuck, but my underscreen cleaner works just fine even though it's attached to a 1/4 million dollar machine. | | | | Hell, you asked for it. I'm baaack. | | | | Moonman | | Hey ya' Moonman! | | Glad to see you back. But geeze, why did ya' hafta start pickin' on me? (GRIN) Anyhoo, 'bout them roll type screen cleaners. Lemme' expand on that a little more. The screen printers I was using back at the time when I was working for Smart Modular Technolgies were DEK's...I've been a DEK user for years. | | In fact, at another company who's no longer around (Comptronix) we had bought the 3rd or 4th DEK-265 ever sold in the US. That was back before DEK and Universal teamed up. Back then, the roll type stencil cleaner was just that, a roll of cleaning paper, a tube in which to wet a section of the paper, and a rubber squeegee which held the paper against the back of the stencil. No fancy smancy vacuum sucking squeegee like they put on them now. Those DO work, provided they're operated like they're intended and with the correct materials (paper, solvents, ect.) that are supposed to used...more on that later. Ya'll can get a chuckle 'bout what I had to deal with. | | Now, where I work, and you know I'm at a start-up, we don't have the kind of money for those whiz-bang printers ya'll have. I just got me a lil' ol MPM SPM-AV...(sniff, sniff...you guys got all the fun toys!). Don't get me wrong, my lil' ol' SPM can print a tatoo on a gnats butt, but she ain't got no fancy smancy sucking squeegee stencil cleaner, just a roll o' paper...and it won't clean my fine pitch apertures. I still gotta' do that manually. | | But back to the problems I had with my DEK at Smart Modular...that's where I had all the gold finger problems. I don't work there anymore, so I don't care about what I'm about to say (I've never been one with a lot of tact, I say what I feel and it's always the truth)...and things may have changed since I was there, but this what things were like when I was there. | | You would think that a company that is as successfull and makes the kind of money that Smart does, there wouldn't be any problems about buying the consumables and whatnot that you needed on the production floor. Not so, for instance the paper used in the DEK cleaners...that was TOO expensive. Had to find something cheaper. | | In order for the vacuum to work the way that it should, the paper must be of a specific weave density in order for the vacuum pressure to flow through the paper and suck the paste onto it. But do you think the buyers know that? Or even take the time to ask me? Hell no. Not only that, but they didn't even buy the right width. | | There was one time they bought paper that was too narrow and I just happened to be helping out the operators with changing over a line, and I pull the old stencil out to put the new job stencil in, and I notice that there's water dripping from the bottom of the old stencil. I look inside the printer and see all this water all over! | | The moistening tube was acting like a sprinkler squirting water all over the place because there was no paper over the openings as the buyers bought the wrong sized paper! I was really suprized that the water didn't wind-up getting inside the electronics and frying the printer! We were lucky! All to save a few dollars on the paper...sheesh! | | Sometimes the operators would even reuse the paper after the roll had run out. They would take the roll from used side and put it right back on the printer...bet ya can guess what happened then huh? They would do this because they were too lazy to walk back to the stockroom and get a new roll. They ran 3-shifts there and I couldn't stay there 24-hours a day to look over their shoulders to make sure they did their jobs right. But even if they had enough initative to go back and get some new paper, they would have the wrong paper anyway, was like on Star Trek, the Kobiyashi Maru scenario, the "no-win scenario". | | So you can figure out why I'm not employed there anymore. Felt like all I was doing was getting paid to get my butt-kicked. But that's life in a memory company...quick and dirty...whatever it takes even if it's wrong. | | Sorry 'bout going on like this...but maybe ya'll can learn something from my mistakes. Use the correct paper, and make sure you have it available | for your operators. But I still say that just regular ol' roll type paper cleaners are only good for 50-mil... | | -Steve Gregory- | | Damn Steve,

Never thought I'd see you wimp out. Hell, I know you're a hands on kind of guy. It's just where your hands have been that bothers me. Besides, you presented yourself as a target rich environment for my pre-planned, carefully staged and orchestrated return. Was it great or what? What better way to come back but on the heels of the master McGiver.

I know you don't have the bucks. In the past, neither have I. For the last few years, I have no budget. That means I can join the "elite" (Justin, his father, and all the rest of you rich bastards and bastardettes) and get all I've ever wanted?

I even have "break-proof" fine pitch AutoFlex pins due to my British friends ability to redesign pin metallurgy, air pressure, and a myriad of other things comprising a bottom side support system with over 29,000 parts. Of course, our maintenance techs see fit to "lube" the shafts of these little beauties with an occassional squirt of 30 weight to make the pins go ballistic.

What the hell, great response as usual - both you and me. As far as the rest of you go, thanks for the welcome back but don't think I'll cut you any slack. A man's got to know his limitations. Do you know yours? I'll look at my check-list for mine.

Happy Bud to you and me,

Earl

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| | | Jeez, | | | | | | I just about had a fine Mexico thing going, or was that in my dreams? Probably, but thanks for the future X possibility. | | | | | | OK! Let's keep this thing technical. Let us not dwell on the emotionally charged moment of my return. However, thanks to you all for your kindness not to me, but to yourselves. You did the right thing resisting the urge to join - WHAT? | | | | | | With all due respect to Cunli, we are the SMTNet. Cunli, you provide the tools, equipment, and (dare I say it) the stage for all you "stars" who make the forum possible. | | | | | | Just as I don't want to run or manage anything (I have trouble enough with my life), I respect those who do this well and recognize we all have a place and purpose. Mine is to provide sketchy information from time to time and reap the benefits of so much more information not even a short time ago available. | | | | | | Anyway thanks, but no thanks as we're all in this thing together. Not one of us can do without the other. | | | | | | Technically speaking, there is nothing for me to say. Oh maybe just one thing - to get me back into the fray: Steve, I must say I totally disagree with your assessment of under screen cleaners. I have had nothing but excellent results using the dry, vacuum, wet, vaccuum programmable capability on our DEK's for over two years. | | | | | | How's that for a hard hitting return? Steve, I had to single you out for the way you roasted that advertising pig scumbag, etc. etc. etc. etc. Jeez, I'm stuck, but my underscreen cleaner works just fine even though it's attached to a 1/4 million dollar machine. | | | | | | Hell, you asked for it. I'm baaack. | | | | | | Moonman | | | | | | | | | | Roger Lunar 1 this is Houston. You have a poblem. Get their first or get blown.....

Moonman

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| Jeez, | | I just about had a fine Mexico thing going, or was that in my dreams? Probably, but thanks for the future X possibility. | | OK! Let's keep this thing technical. Let us not dwell on the emotionally charged moment of my return. However, thanks to you all for your kindness not to me, but to yourselves. You did the right thing resisting the urge to join - WHAT? | | With all due respect to Cunli, we are the SMTNet. Cunli, you provide the tools, equipment, and (dare I say it) the stage for all you "stars" who make the forum possible. | | Just as I don't want to run or manage anything (I have trouble enough with my life), I respect those who do this well and recognize we all have a place and purpose. Mine is to provide sketchy information from time to time and reap the benefits of so much more information not even a short time ago available. | | Anyway thanks, but no thanks as we're all in this thing together. Not one of us can do without the other. | | Technically speaking, there is nothing for me to say. Oh maybe just one thing - to get me back into the fray: Steve, I must say I totally disagree with your assessment of under screen cleaners. I have had nothing but excellent results using the dry, vacuum, wet, vaccuum programmable capability on our DEK's for over two years. | | How's that for a hard hitting return? Steve, I had to single you out for the way you roasted that advertising pig scumbag, etc. etc. etc. etc. Jeez, I'm stuck, but my underscreen cleaner works just fine even though it's attached to a 1/4 million dollar machine. | | Hell, you asked for it. I'm baaack. | | Moonman |

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Moonman

Gee the man with the golden fingers. Glad to see you back around. Makes for good reading.. So go get Steve, Justin, etc.

regrads,

Wayne

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| | Roger Lunar 1 this is Houston. You have a poblem. Get their first or get blown..... | | | | Moonman

Who is that character? Promoting Zevatech so, so, so!

Wayne

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Lunar1,

We do not see a valid message from either of your postings. One of them has been deleted since it promoted a company in violation of the Forum policy.

Cunli

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Earl,

Glad to have you back! We hoped you would return but did not expect you to give up a Mexican excursion for the Forum. Again welcome back. Cunli

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So u gave Mexico up for us...we're all touched ( apparently the net now have a Doc to confirm this hehehe)

it's great to see u back,

John

| Jeez, | | I just about had a fine Mexico thing going, or was that in my dreams? Probably, but thanks for the future X possibility. | | OK! Let's keep this thing technical. Let us not dwell on the emotionally charged moment of my return. However, thanks to you all for your kindness not to me, but to yourselves. You did the right thing resisting the urge to join - WHAT? | | With all due respect to Cunli, we are the SMTNet. Cunli, you provide the tools, equipment, and (dare I say it) the stage for all you "stars" who make the forum possible. | | Just as I don't want to run or manage anything (I have trouble enough with my life), I respect those who do this well and recognize we all have a place and purpose. Mine is to provide sketchy information from time to time and reap the benefits of so much more information not even a short time ago available. | | Anyway thanks, but no thanks as we're all in this thing together. Not one of us can do without the other. | | Technically speaking, there is nothing for me to say. Oh maybe just one thing - to get me back into the fray: Steve, I must say I totally disagree with your assessment of under screen cleaners. I have had nothing but excellent results using the dry, vacuum, wet, vaccuum programmable capability on our DEK's for over two years. | | How's that for a hard hitting return? Steve, I had to single you out for the way you roasted that advertising pig scumbag, etc. etc. etc. etc. Jeez, I'm stuck, but my underscreen cleaner works just fine even though it's attached to a 1/4 million dollar machine. | | Hell, you asked for it. I'm baaack. | | Moonman |

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I am glad you decided to stay with us. Keep dreaming about Mexico.

Nancy

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| I am glad you decided to stay with us. Keep dreaming about Mexico. | | Nancy | Nancy: You shouldn't encourage him!!

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| I am glad you decided to stay with us. Keep dreaming about Mexico. | | Nancy | Ah, you sweet thang,

As much as I dream about Mehico with you, or?, I still dream of a "perfect" manufacturing world.

Thanks for the encouragement, and get more involved with this stuff. I know you have lot's to offer,

Earl Moon

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| | I am glad you decided to stay with us. Keep dreaming about Mexico. | | | | Nancy | | | Nancy: You shouldn't encourage him!! | Dave, you sweet - what the hell is my automatic answering thang doing,

Isn't she sweet. Probably never been to Mehico with her grandfather as someone of my age, but considerable experience but can't remember all I forgot. Probably never burned boards together with her future X boyfriend/husband. Probably smarter and has more experience that you and me together.

Boogie Dave and Nancy,

MoonBertMan

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| | | I am glad you decided to stay with us. Keep dreaming about Mexico. | | | | | | Nancy | | | | | Nancy: You shouldn't encourage him!! | | | Dave, you sweet - what the hell is my automatic answering thang doing, | | Isn't she sweet. Probably never been to Mehico with her grandfather as someone of my age, but considerable experience but can't remember all I forgot. Probably never burned boards together with her future X boyfriend/husband. Probably smarter and has more experience that you and me together. | | Boogie Dave and Nancy, | | MoonBertMan | Dang Earl, you had to get on experience thing again didn't you? And years of absorbing hops based liquids haven't done a lot of good fer the ol' gray matter either. Yesssirrr yer probably keeerect!!! Later.

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