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Mechanical Router vs Laser Depaneling

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#79712

Mechanical Router vs Laser Depaneling | 5 February, 2018

I am researching different equipment sets to replace an outdated mechanical router for depanelization. I am curious how laser depanelization compares to a standard cnc router, and any pro and cons you may have found using one over the other.

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Rob

#79714

Mechanical Router vs Laser Depaneling | 6 February, 2018

Smells a lot worse even with good extraction.

Key things to look out for is laser life on your thickness and layup of panels compared to spindle motor life (Typically 10,000 hours, or 2 years for us) and cost of replacement lasers.

We get spindle motors refurbished by our American cousins for around $2000 each.

Also tooling and loading & unloading. Our Routers are inline, and put the routed out circuits on an exit conveyor whilst ejecting the waste FR4 frame into a bin. The downside is we have universal and custom grippers that cost, the upside is no manual loading and unloading.

We are very keen on reliable laser depaneling, as we also have Asys laser markers that are rock solid, but not seen anything yet at the price point and running cost to replace our inline routers.

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#79716

Mechanical Router vs Laser Depaneling | 6 February, 2018

First, I'm the ASYS Rep in the southeastern USA states. Laser is not a direct swap for a bit router. It is application driven. CO2 laser is the least expensive and faster than a bit router for a thinner (<0.80mm) PCB. CO2 will likely generate some charring even in a well matched application but it is fast. Moving to a UV or green laser increases cost, slows routing speed (close to a bit router) but increases capability.

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Rob

#79726

Mechanical Router vs Laser Depaneling | 8 February, 2018

Thanks Capse.

Is Asys planning on adding grippers to it's Divisio laser range?

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#79735

Mechanical Router vs Laser Depaneling | 8 February, 2018

You're welcome. Yes ASYS offers an in-line Divisio 8000/8100 with user specified post routing options for circuit off load.

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#79736

Mechanical Router vs Laser Depaneling | 8 February, 2018

I appreciate the input. We will definitely be going with CNC router based on some of your comments. Thanks for the information.

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Rob

#79740

Mechanical Router vs Laser Depaneling | 9 February, 2018

Thanks Capse.

Hi Rick,

We have Asys and Cencorp inline routers, both are very good. Our models are ADS01F, Cencorp 1000BR & 1300BR.

One thing to remember is that if you have tight finished tolerances make sure you get the fiducial alignment option, as there can be slight variations in PCB dimensions between batches. Our first Cencorp didn't and we learnt the hard way.

If you are buying used there is never much around, but Cencorp USA have a refurb program, and Lewis & Clark still have a 1300BR in stock - they had 2, and we had the other which is in excellent condition.

Finally, if you are still awake....the non factual opinion bit: our operators much prefer the Asys to the Cencorp, but some of this could be down to the local support and language. We have also found the Asys gripper tooling to be much cheaper. However these feel like local issues as everyone I have dealt with from both companies have been excellent and very helpful, and we are in Europe, not the USA like you.

Anything else, just DM me. Rob.

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#79912

Mechanical Router vs Laser Depaneling | 6 March, 2018

it's great to know this information

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#80562

Mechanical Router vs Laser Depaneling | 15 June, 2018

Good Afternoon, Please check out SCHUNK Electronic Solutions as well. We are a new player here in the US but compete with Cencorp and Asys very well. Thank you, Tom Herndon

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