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Way to port SMT program from Mydata to Panasonic?

Way to port SMT program from Mydata to Panasonic?

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Hello, I have programmed SMT placement for Mydata My9 mac... - Sep 16, 2008 by mi

You will have to make new programs for the Panasonic. (afaik... - Sep 16, 2008 by Stephen

Stephen, When I port from Mydata to AOI machine, I use an... - Sep 16, 2008 by mi

Panapro can be set up for the centroid data in any order. Y... - Sep 17, 2008 by Stephen

Mydata has Utility menu to "export" panel, layout, into a f... - Sep 18, 2008 by mi

You are making sense. And no you can't go from centroid dat... - Sep 19, 2008 by Stephen

No, I don't have Panapro at all. Some Mydata files I've e... - Sep 19, 2008 by mi

While it might not be what you prefer to do, but rather than... - Sep 19, 2008 by davef

The .cmp won't help you. I don't know what the .gen is. ... - Sep 19, 2008 by Stephen

There is software available like valors new vPlan, single po... - Sep 20, 2008 by josh

I have a feeling that that software would cost more than his... - Sep 22, 2008 by Stephen

Has anybody heard of the CAM Translator from SMS Internati... - Sep 26, 2008 by mi

#56521

Way to port SMT program from Mydata to Panasonic? | 16 September, 2008

Hello,

I have programmed SMT placement for Mydata My9 machines.

I have ported programs between Mydata-to-Mydata machines.

Also from Mydata to AOI machine for SMT inspection.

Is there a way to port a placement program from Mydata to Panasonic MSH2 / MPA3? since I notice there are floppy disk drives on the Panasonic terminals.

At least all the centroid-X,Y,Z, part numbers & descriptions?

This is to save time & not bother to manually do over programming for Panasonic SMT placement.

Thanks for your help.

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Stephen

#56528

Way to port SMT program from Mydata to Panasonic? | 16 September, 2008

You will have to make new programs for the Panasonic. (afaik) But you can use the Mydata programs as centroid data for the Panapro. Load it into Excell using space as the delimiter. Copy column B onto column A. cell A1, move cells up. Sort by column H and the extra garbage on the bottom. Save as comma delimited.

Last step, ask your boss for some 21 century machines.

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#56531

Way to port SMT program from Mydata to Panasonic? | 16 September, 2008

Stephen,

When I port from Mydata to AOI machine, I use an Excel macro that lays out data into 5 fields/columns per line as:

X Y angle P/N Reference Designator

Is this the same for Panasonic?

I'll also ask Panasonic operator if this is what he could use instead of starting from scratch.

Thanks for your help.

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Stephen

#56560

Way to port SMT program from Mydata to Panasonic? | 17 September, 2008

Panapro can be set up for the centroid data in any order. You won't be able to load the centroid data straight into the machine though.

At one time I used Unicam to program a mydata. Then we got a panasonic line. The panarep said we could configure Panapro for any cad data. He should have said any centroid data. We gave him a Tango pro ascii file that we used for Unicam. He ended up having panasonic writting an interface to be able to use it.

In any case what I ended up doing was making Mydata programs then using them as centroid data for Panapro. I did this even when I had centroid data for Panapro just to keep the Unicam and panasonic programs in sync.

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#56587

Way to port SMT program from Mydata to Panasonic? | 18 September, 2008

Mydata has Utility menu to "export" panel, layout, into a file, etc.

And we have an Excel macro that converts all the data in this file into rows of records for each components; and save this to MSDOS csv file format giving: X,Y,Z,P/N, reference designators.

That's what I do when porting centroid from it to the AOI.

I tried putting a file like this on a floppy disk, ed the disk onto the Panasert MSH II drive - after pressing F1, it does not recognize that there is even any file there.

It displayed, "NO DATA" or something.

When I did this in reverse - let the operator/technician do his manual "NC" programming & array programming, etc. - then he saved the programs, I got 2 files from him named: CF000000.MNG & CF000000.POS. But these are the completed PLACEMENT PROGRAMs - headers, prefixes, suffixes, & all, etc.

All I want to provide is RAW centroid data that he can start with, instead of having him start from scratch or nothing.

Is that even possible to do?

While briefly browsing through the manual, it seems that these floppy drives & the F1 key will only actually read previously programmed (NC) files.

Let me know if I am even making any sense.

Thanks for your help.

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Stephen

#56593

Way to port SMT program from Mydata to Panasonic? | 19 September, 2008

You are making sense. And no you can't go from centroid data to a program at the machine automatically. You can type in the numbers if you want but the machine won't turn centroid into a placement program.

Don't you have PanaPro?

I thought there was another file on the machine as well. a .set file? It's been a while but if you put that one on floppy and then edit it with notepad on your desk then put it back on the machine you can do strange things. If you add a part but don't increase the number of parts before you put it back on the machine, you will see the part listed at the feeder but the machine will tell you need to add that feeder to the set list.

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#56595

Way to port SMT program from Mydata to Panasonic? | 19 September, 2008

No, I don't have Panapro at all.

Some Mydata files I've exported end in: *.cmp & *.gen

Files saved on floppy from Panasonic MSH II end in: *.MNG, *.POS, *.SET

Panasonic program filenames come out as: CF000000.POS CF000001.POS ...

Sample quote of contents of one of them:

%HEADER NAME=PA-0338.MSH2-T MACHINE=MSH2 MNAME=MSH-2 CREATE=1997/07/21 REVISE=2006/11/09 SETUP=DA-0338.MSH2 BOARD= TYPE=ABS BLOCK=00049 MLSTEP=00001 PANASONIC=1100 COMMENT= %POFFSET X-143520Y-452500F1; %NCDATA N1X-70Y0W0Z1PN()C()M20T0/7; N2X23500Y0W0Z1PN()C()M20T0/7; N3X47030Y0W0Z1PN()C()M20T0/0; N4X70700Y0W0Z1PN()C()M20T0/7; N5X94250Y100W0Z1PN()C()M20T0/7; N6X117850Y150W0Z1PN()C()M20T0/7; N7X0Y0W0Z1PN()C()M100T0/0; N8X6580Y69880W90Z76PN()C(C2B )M0T0/0; N9X4090Y15020W90Z76PN()C(C2A )M0T0/0; N10X5260Y60550W90Z76PN()C(C1B )M0T0/0; ... N49X10760Y67990W0Z98PN()C(U6 )M0T0/0; %MARKLAND N7M1(132190,-12200,1MCIRC )M2(190,84500,1MCIRC )L1(0,0)L2(0,0)L3(0,0)L4(0,0)L5(0,0)L6(0,0)L7(0,0)L8(0,0) *

.MNG files contain like a directory list of what's on the disk.

Sample quote of contents: 0039 PA-0338.MSH2-T CF000000.POS PA-1759.DORAN.S CF000001.POS ...

Do those jog-up some memories?

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davef

#56604

Way to port SMT program from Mydata to Panasonic? | 19 September, 2008

While it might not be what you prefer to do, but rather than converting directly from Mydata to Panasonic, can you simply use a Gerber converter to produce centroid information and then use the centroids to program your Panasonic machine? Search the fine SMTnet Archives for background discussion on Gerber converters.

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Stephen

#56610

Way to port SMT program from Mydata to Panasonic? | 19 September, 2008

The .cmp won't help you. I don't know what the .gen is.

The mydata files I used for centroid are .pcb. The following is a sample I"ve changed some chars.

F1 AAAAAAA_BOT F2 customer info F21 All_Tools F3 -xxxxxxx yyyyyy rnd1.2mm F3 -xxxxx yyyy rnd1.2mm F4 0 0 F41 0 0 F5 0 0 F6 -xxxxxx yyyyyy F7 0 0 F8 -243993 39119 180000 0 N N HR-11-001385-00 F9 ref1 F8 -248057 40492 180000 0 N N HR-01-000374-00 F9 ref2 F8 -248057 36555 0 0 N N HR-01-000374-00 F9 ref3

In my younger days I might have written a Q-basic program to convert the MYdata program to the panasonic program.

Sometimes I would edit panasonic set programs with notepad. I forget why but I know you have to be carefull. And if that "BLOCK=00049" is wrong you will get strange things happening that you can't find out on the machine.

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josh

#56615

Way to port SMT program from Mydata to Panasonic? | 20 September, 2008

There is software available like valors new vPlan, single point solution, can support Mydata and Panasonic machines - can convert programs in both directions. ALso has all the Gerber, EDA import, BOM import merge - compare, plus many other advanced features like Virtual Sticky Tape, Auto Part Generation - makes part models for target machines on demand - saving time. If you are a CEM then this package is a great NPI productivity tool....

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Stephen

#56622

Way to port SMT program from Mydata to Panasonic? | 22 September, 2008

I have a feeling that that software would cost more than his machines are worth. My9, MSH2, and MPA3's are not exactly cutting edge anymore.

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