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JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose?

JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose?

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We are currenly looking at the JUKI 2050 and 2060 and the Si... - Jan 26, 2007 by

My inputs are : Juki are easier to use, and to easier t... - Jan 29, 2007 by

You may want to also look at the I-pulse machines if you are... - Jan 29, 2007 by Rob

me went to germany and look at da siemens machines ... - Jan 29, 2007 by

I hear Germany is pretty cool to visit. That's why my last ... - Jan 29, 2007 by

hi, if you are looking for new machine, then my suggesion ... - Jan 30, 2007 by techno

HI, I have ran Siemens for 7 years but just started with a c... - Jan 30, 2007 by Tarheel

Used siemens for about 11yrs...very good placement reliabili... - Jan 30, 2007 by

I have used both Siemens and Juki machines for many years. ... - Jan 31, 2007 by

conclusion: @james: get in touch with Juki and Siemens yo... - Feb 01, 2007 by Loco

Wow, where'd that come from? Someone asks for help and peop... - Feb 01, 2007 by

Dear reader, I have good experience with the Yamaha machine... - Feb 05, 2007 by demusch

Hi, I don't know about other peoples experience, but I ha... - Feb 10, 2007 by

james

#47026

JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose? | 26 January, 2007

We are currenly looking at the JUKI 2050 and 2060 and the Siemens D1 and D2. Just looking for your input and if you have these machines, what are your comments? Thanks for any input.

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Guest

#47048

JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose? | 29 January, 2007

My inputs are :

Juki are easier to use, and to easier to program. Their Man Machine interface are easy to navigate. Good technical support

Technology wise , they will be one of the best in placement equipments iin the future . You may want to look at thier website.

If I am to choose , I will go for Juki.

Good Luck

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Rob

#47050

JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose? | 29 January, 2007

You may want to also look at the I-pulse machines if you are in Europe as they are very good value compared to the Juki.

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fat engr

#47053

JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose? | 29 January, 2007

me went to germany and look at da siemens machines

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realchunks

#47080

JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose? | 29 January, 2007

I hear Germany is pretty cool to visit. That's why my last company bought Siemens.

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techno

#47086

JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose? | 30 January, 2007

hi, if you are looking for new machine, then my suggesion is go for i-pulse machine. best machine as compare to juki.

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Tarheel

#47089

JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose? | 30 January, 2007

HI, I have ran Siemens for 7 years but just started with a company that purchased a new Juki 2055-RE and a new 2060... These machines have some real nice features on them that I love... Though not as fast as your turrent head machines, I believe the pick and placement reliability to be great.. One feature (pick tracking) virtually assures you that the part will be centered on the nozzle during pick-up and another feature (auto-measure) assures your package dimensions are correct... Nice machines for the price...

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ManufNow

#47114

JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose? | 30 January, 2007

Used siemens for about 11yrs...very good placement reliability placing 0201s with S20s. Love their programming system. couldnt be better.

Manuf Now

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Amytheengineer

#47123

JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose? | 31 January, 2007

I have used both Siemens and Juki machines for many years. When I need to run anything requiring high accuracy such as 0201 placements I always put those jobs on my Siemens gear. It used to be a little easier to run and program the Juki but with the latest software on my Siemens line and with the new self teach function for component vision files this issue is gone. The other thing that is true is that the throughput I can get out of my Siemens lines is consistently higher than my Juki lines.

amy the engineer

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Loco

#47139

JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose? | 1 February, 2007

conclusion:

@james: get in touch with Juki and Siemens yourself, when there is talk about choosing 100 grand+ machines you cant just trust strangers on a forum

@the Yuki and Siemens lovers: Please stop posting this nonsence, we know you're just promoting your own company by making up fictional stories and names. It has the opposite effect, it makes you, and your company look very amateuristic and unprofessional and it makes the people with a real story seem unbelieveble.

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Hussman

#47144

JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose? | 1 February, 2007

Wow, where'd that come from? Someone asks for help and people with experience with both machines posted. Seemed staright up to me? You own Juki Loco?

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demusch

#47204

JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose? | 5 February, 2007

Dear reader, I have good experience with the Yamaha machines sold under the Assembleon (Philips) flag in Europe. These machines are very flexible in programming, easy to use for operators and have a very good rest value, now a small system is offered starting from 69000 euro +/- 11000 Components Per Hour. The service in Europe on this platform is very good. If you need extra info let me know or check on http://www.assembleon.com

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Grant

#47464

JUKI VS. Siemens ? Which to choose? | 10 February, 2007

Hi,

I don't know about other peoples experience, but I have decided i absolutely HATE auto teach.

The problem is with auto teach you just measure one component, and then you need to open up the tolerance to get an acceptable pass rate. Which means you could be passing components that are out of spec if the component you chose to auto teach from was at the edge of the specification window.

However with using manufacture data entry, then you are entering in the exact same specification window as the manufacturer provides, so will understand the range of dimensions expected as you consume components.

All you need is a machine that accurately measures consistently, and your ok. Out Fuji machines do this reliable, while the MYDATA machines did not, but we did use auto teach on the MYDATA's and could have saved some of the problems.

I think the machine vendors like to show auto teach, as everyone loves a feature that seems to make things easer to use, however I think it ends up causing more reliability problems in production because all your machines component specifications have just been derived from a randomly chosen part. I don't think this is accurate enough.

The machine vendors are most likely too gutless or inexperienced to understand that funky feature they love to show is actually an inaccurate way to setup a machine.

The problem is stopping our production guys from using auto teach, as they often do, and it causes problems, because it's a lazy way to setup the machine. It's a bit annoying.

Regards,

Grant

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